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Davew

Pre-wfp?
« on: December 09, 2007, 08:42:42 am »
What was it like before wfp? we've got grown men on here (me included) getting all excited over the latest carbon fibre pole, itching to get our hands on ....... a new brush
rummaging in the garage trying to make our own, posting pictures of our vans. Are we sad or what? What happened before - hysteria over the latest bucket? Carbon fibre squeegie handles? The worlds lightest ladders? Have we gone mad or are we treating this job like a hobby. I'm looking at a carbon fibre racing bike in my garage at this very moment and thinking it might have to go to make way for the latest pole. Would a bricklayer spend a fortune on a lightweight hodd? Do electricians salvate over spangly pliers? Or would a mechanic flop his tools out and argue on a forum over which is best?
As for spending half your life on a windowcleaning forum.............
We are all mad!! :o

Dean Aspects

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 08:48:58 am »
That is so true when i was trad i would do my work clean my cloths and forget about it now i stand back and survey salivate and spend far too much time looking at my equipment and as for this forum i seriously need some sort of cold turkey  ;D

Dean

brett walker

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007, 08:55:47 am »
I think we are dedicated to our job with wfp theres a lot more to learn and products coming out all the time so this forum helps everyone advance wether it would be trad or .wfp

When i was on ladders it was a matter of just getting the scrims out of the car and you were done

Since changing over to wfp i have earned more money but there is a lot of extra work behind the scenes but enjoy it more than working on ladders as it has given my job a new outlook

regards

Brett.

Neil271052

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2007, 09:03:48 am »


When i was on ladders it was a matter of just getting the scrims out of the car and you were done

Since changing over to wfp i have earned more money but there is a lot of extra work behind the scenes but enjoy it more than working on ladders as it has given my job a new outlook



I think that's it.

Because of the extra work and outlay (!)  involved to get into WFP it is only natural that people will compare their set up with others, check out the latest gear etc etc.

However at the end of the day it is just an expensive and somewhat complicated  way to do a simple job..............wash windows.  ;)
Cheers,
Neil

LWC

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007, 09:15:13 am »
this is a hobby i love it  ;D

a hobby that earns you money...what more can ya say  ;)

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2007, 10:38:08 am »
I can't see what the excitement is about. ???
It's just a job, and providing the tools work well that's all that matters.
As long as it's not made by Unger I don't care what I use.

Last thing I want to do when I get home is think about work.  :o

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2007, 10:40:41 am »
I can't see what the excitement is about. ???
It's just a job, and providing the tools work well that's all that matters.
As long as it's not made by Unger I don't care what I use.

Last thing I want to do when I get home is think about work.  :o
I think of work normally 24/7  ::)
What is wrong with Unger?

Ian

xxmattyxx

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2007, 10:44:52 am »
this is a hobby i love it  ;D

a hobby that earns you money...what more can ya say  ;)

Definately a truth in that statement.

I love this job (okay I hate the weather, most notably around the winter) but you guys going on about your WFP obsession, I obsess and I'm trad. I salivated over my new ladder a couple of months back (I now have a triple extending ladder long enough to reach gutters with ease  ;D  ;D)
I salivated over my new sign-written t-shirts, I salivated over my new




I salivated over my new





God help me when I order my new





And God please please help me some more next year when I buy my new





I think its all about pride, and that is a good thing.

Matt

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007, 10:49:31 am »
Pre wfp, you would only really compare jobs that you had rather than the equipment used to do it.  Now though on this forum I enjoy the trad posts more for some weird reason, like how do you clean inside windows.

I think the reason why wfp is talked about so much is because it's really still in it's infancy, it may have been across the pond 50 years ago, but in the last few years it's come on loads.  Not many other jobs would be offering you genuinely new equipment every 6 months. 

Simon.

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2007, 10:53:36 am »
Dear me.

Ian W

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2007, 11:03:31 am »
Classic.
Do all the good you can, and make as little fuss about it as possible.
Charles Dickens

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2007, 11:08:47 am »
Classic.
Just something I mocked up ages ago, when people were last being anoraks! ;D

Davew

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2007, 11:32:55 am »
He posts on here. ;)

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2007, 11:48:53 am »

macmac

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2007, 11:55:45 am »
For me dave the exitement is in being able to do my job quicker & easier. When i first went wfp a few years ago the poles & brushes were shocking to say the least. with no community of forum members to exchange info with & so just relying on suppliers (& their basic knowlage at the time) the job was hard! You think you've got it bad now?
As time has passed the knowlage & equipment has progressed & developed at a good pace. Because of this, if i look at how hard my job was from the start to the present day it's like comparing a horse-drawn plough to the latest hi-spec tractor.
My first 40ft pole weighed almost as much as my van (well it seemed like it) & would flex almost double, it was frankley un-usable & dangerouse! My first 18ft pole had a base section as fat as a drain pipe, weighed a ton also & would spin with wear constantly after the first week! both fitted with huge, heavy, useless oval vikans held on to steel goosnecks via a big fat aluminium bracket. Anything over 18ft & i had to use the whole 40ft pole to do the job :o :o :o so heavy & flexible i broke windows without even trying! All this to contend with & to make it worse, a large part of my work is over 18ft ( you see, using a 40ft glass pole now to clean at 22ft ) & is made up of lots of georgian sash windows, some with glass as thin as paper in them! My equipment was purchased with the full input of my supplier & a guy who had already been wfp for two years who had worked my round :o I was given the worst start-up advice i think anyone could have possibly been given!
So david (my loyal friend :-*) (nearly there ;) If you were to put yourself in these circumstances & go from having the worst of everything ( advise & equipment ) to the best, from the plough to the tractor & have your working life totaly transformed for the better with the biggest factor being a certain pole & brush, would you not afford yourself just a wee pinch of enthusiasm my dear fellow?

tony

Davew

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2007, 02:00:22 pm »
Spiffing reply there Anthony, yes i have to admit even with my tender months in the trade i found some of the offerings of equipment pretty dismal , underdeveloped and way overpriced to say the least. Some of this stuff is still out there and being marketed by some big suppliers.
 The problem i have is that all my working life my hard earn't cash always went on a hobby or interest. Windsurfing - had to be the lightest most expensive kit i could get, same with my mountain bike and racing bike, cameras, everything except cars. My work expediture was always the least i could get away with - untill now. :o

Neil271052

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 11:39:48 am »
I can't see what the excitement is about. ???
It's just a job, and providing the tools work well that's all that matters.
As long as it's not made by Unger I don't care what I use.

Last thing I want to do when I get home is think about work.  :o

I have to agree.

Window cleaning  is just a boring and tiresome job to pay for your free time IMO.

I don't think there is much excitement involved.
Cheers,
Neil

Ian Lancaster

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 05:38:12 pm »
This post started as a question about pre-wfp.  I can still remember the first day I went window cleaning (about 1968/9) with a friend of mine who worked for a company called A.F. Cheese & Co.Ltd., doing all the schools in the old Inner London Education Authority.

Before we went to the first job, he took me to the warehouse,F J Tomlinson & Co in Peckham.

What a place!! It was on the first floor of a warehouse and I remember it was vast, but the thing I remember most was the smell!!  New scrim and great heaps of whole sheepskins with the aroma of the leather dressings heavy in the air.  Then there were the boxes of squeegees, swabs (before the T- bar came in) leather holsters and belts, buckets, spare squeegee rubbers, scrapers - all things you've all seen, of course, but in vast quantities.

It was like an Alladin's cave to a complete novice like I was.

We sorted through the piles of leathers to find the best one - I could hardly lift it! a whole skin and so thick it was a struggle to fold it.  The first thing I had to do was cut it in two - it was far too heavy to wave about all day.  Then I had to wash it out - bucket after bucket of water till all the dressing was gone.  Then the same thing with the scrim.

By the time I'd washed then out to my friends satisfaction, I was too tired to do any work!!

Then came the real shock of the day - we went to a Victorian "three decker" school called Middle Way, after the street it was in, though I can't recall where it was.

We went up to the top floor and then my mate climbed out of the window, stood on the sill and closed the window after him :o

He cleaned the outside using a swab and squeegee, then opened the window and climbed back in and did the inside.

Then he said to me:  "You do the next one"

 :o :o :o :o

Happy days ;D

Ian

Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 05:54:04 pm »
I can't see what the excitement is about. ???
It's just a job, and providing the tools work well that's all that matters.
As long as it's not made by Unger I don't care what I use.

Last thing I want to do when I get home is think about work.  :o

I have to agree.

Window cleaning  is just a boring and tiresome job to pay for your free time IMO.

I don't think there is much excitement involved.

that depends how windy it is I guess.

Ian Lancaster

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Re: Pre-wfp?
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2007, 07:23:43 am »

I don't think there is much excitement involved.


[i]We went up to the top floor and then my mate climbed out of the window, stood on the sill and closed the window after him

He cleaned the outside using a swab and squeegee, then opened the window and climbed back in and did the inside.

Then he said to me:  "You do the next one"
[/i]   


You ever tried this? ;D