This is an advertisement
Interested In Advertising? | Contact Us Here
Warning!

 

Welcome to Clean It Up; the UK`s largest cleaning forum with over 34,000 members

 

Please login or register to post and reply to topics.      

 

Forgot your password? Click here

Luc

  • Posts: 247
how many jets
« on: December 04, 2007, 06:38:54 pm »
After having turned up on my second job this morning i realised that i had left my wand at the first job ???
After calling my mate who lived local to where i was working he let me use his spare single jet hydramaster wand. Having always used a 2 jet or 4 jet wand the last 10 years, i was quite surprised at how good it cleaned. i was running my tm at 350psi and it cleaned really well altho it used a lot more water than normal.
This led me to wondering dose anyone else use a single jet wand?
Are there any benefits to a wand with more jets?

lands

Re: how many jets
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 06:43:18 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

More jets, more potential for blockages eh Luc ;D

How you doing fella

Pete

(machine going well mate)

liahona

Re: how many jets
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 06:57:27 pm »
Luc, there are a few posts about this very subject, just have a quick look back and you will see the previous discussions.  Having said that, I use a single fan jet wand and it will always out perform  a multi-jet wand.  As yet I havent found any benefit from a multi-jet wand nor heard of any benefit from those who use one.

Best, Dave.

Luc

  • Posts: 247
Re: how many jets
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2007, 06:59:37 pm »
I'm good mate. how are you. I've  had a couple of quite weeks but worked 6am to 10pm yesterday. i done 11 jobs and feeling like crap as i'm so tired today :(

You ever had a day when all your previous customers want it all done on one particular day. I've only got thurs and fri booked out now.
Glad the old girl is running well. Its a nice machine. i must admit i have not used a ninja for a couple of months now. How is the other half??

Luc

  • Posts: 247
Re: how many jets
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 07:02:21 pm »
Yeah, i brought a westpac 4 jet wand recently and until i fitted it with a glide, it was leaving streaks on the carpet even with it being used on a tm. I was just surprised today as the single jet wand cleaned amazing and seemed to clean a bit quicker!!!!

PaulKing

  • Posts: 1626
Re: how many jets
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 07:05:48 pm »
maybe simple is better?
www.revitaclean.com  established 1968 in Newcastle Upon Tyne

lands

Re: how many jets
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 07:39:20 pm »
maybe simple is better?

Must be a geordie thing Paul (the simple thing) ;D

Luc

Mrs good, kids r good. Any changes for the better for you in that respect? Does seem quiet at mo (doing some labouring work to supplement) (would clean toilets  if I had to).

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11381
Re: how many jets
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 07:41:34 pm »
I'm waiting to see Dave and his tackle :o I'd love to try the single jet wand.

Shaun

lands

Re: how many jets
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 07:53:51 pm »
I'm waiting to see Dave and his tackle :o I'd love to try the single jet wand.

Shaun
#
I've said before about you Shaun, you need help! ;D

northstar

  • Posts: 43
Re: how many jets
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 08:19:41 pm »
Is it true to say that a two jet wand results in half the PSI per jet than a single jet and a four jet a quarter PSI per jet?

liahona

Re: how many jets
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2007, 09:12:35 pm »
Not quite half or the quarter suggested but the more jets you have the less psi.  More to the point is the reduction in the volume of solution being delivered.

Best, Dave.

elliott cleaning

  • Posts: 778
Re: how many jets
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2007, 09:20:59 pm »
Would have thought the jet size was an important factor that comes into the equation in terms of how much solution is delivered!

Ken Wainwright

  • Posts: 2107
Re: how many jets
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2007, 04:01:25 pm »
The more jets there are, the closer thay can be to the carpet.

The closer the jets to the carpet, so the lower the height of the tool (great for working under low furnishings).

The closer they are to the carpet, the less distance the pressurised water has to travel.

The less distance the water has to travel, the less energy there is lost.

The less energy lost, the greater the impact and shearing properties of the water on the soil.

The less distance the water has to travel, the less is the heat loss.

There will always be advantages and disadvantages with all configurations of wands.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: how many jets
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2007, 04:30:27 pm »
Ken,

 one or two points to mention regarding your post,

 
regarding pressure ,  I cannot see the majority of c/c been too worried about pressure as are not most machines available today at least a mimimum of 400psi  , ample for most jobs. I have to keep my pressure down .

Heat loss. again I have to keep my heat down, and I cannot really imagine that a couple of inches from jet to floor will make one slight difference to most c/c , and after all with all todays cold water chemicals available, which I am sure you are an advocate of :-\  " I apologise if I am wrong on that point"  so again wont make any diffference. 

As for going under furniture, isnt the correct way to move the furnishings ? 

And heres me thinking you carried out all your tasks in the correct manner  ;) ;D

geoff


who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Mike Halliday

  • Posts: 11581
Re: how many jets
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2007, 04:43:19 pm »
a single jet might give an even spray pattern when its new but as it wears it will start to put more solution down in the centre and less at the outer edge, this will give an uneven cleaning unless you allow a generous overlap. using a multi-jet wand will cut down on this problem.

I assume Dave uses an enclosed single jet wand, an open single jet will create a lot of steam in the room with a machine that uses very hot water.


Mike
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

  • Posts: 489
Re: how many jets
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2007, 05:29:18 pm »
If you rely on heat then you're better off with a multi jet wand. The less jets means the spray tip needs to be higher off the carpet to get the correct spray pattern. Great for atomisation at higher pressures but you'll instantly lose iro 30 degrees C according to Steve Brandt - Chemspec (or was that Farenheight - he's american) ???

Course if you're using a proper wand like CFR's then you've got the best of both worlds. Spray tips just above the fibres but the wand head features air induction for proper atomisation. When AM I going to get my commision from CFR? ;D

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Ken Wainwright

  • Posts: 2107
Re: how many jets
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2007, 06:23:36 pm »
Hi Geoff

I was keeping my reply generic, without any reference to specifics on the points I raised. I wasn't praising multi jet wands, merely pointing out some of the different characteristics.

As you suggest, many rinse/extraction machines have surplus psi so that the rinse can be adjusted to suit the needs of the particular application. But regardless of the equipment, energy (and heat) will be lost between the jets and the carpet. The shorter distance of travel, the less the loss. Also, to work with a higer psi on a single jet wand could lead to greater water consumption, so more down time with a porty.

Alan and Mike have also introduced valid contributions to this topic. The wear rate of jets (esp. plastic and brass) and the spray pattern, and also the smaller jets offer better atomisation (ie smaller droplets) for a more efficient rinse.  Well that's the theory anyway.

And yes, I do frequently work with a cold water rinse, but this wasn't relevant to this debate.  But today was a classic example of using cold. Large house, 4 bedrooms but I wasn't cleaning the H/S/L, on 100ft of hose. If I'd used hot water, I'd have had "pressure " marks on the H/S/L from the solution hose. With cold water, no problem.  It wasn't practical to sheet the very long hall and landing.

On the furniture front, your risk assesment (yes, we all do it, usually without thinking about it) will always tell you if it's safe, for example, to move that 6 ft long sideboard loaded with antique china and glass, or whether you should just clean underneath. Same goes for office desks, some very large beds etc. etc.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

nevil

  • Posts: 478
Re: how many jets
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2007, 07:03:31 pm »
I find that having several jets allows you to use a greater range of pressure in opperation.

When water passes through the jet, the fans will vary in width depending on the pressure. With the single jet wand the fan will either be to wide for the wand at high pressure or to narrow at low pressure. Although you could have a differant angled jet for each extreme.

None of this will prevent you from cleaning. But will effect performance.

This difference in spray patterns is also true of multi jet wands to a lesser degree. As it is only a factor on one half of each fan that is mounted outermost on the cleaning head. So in short more jets is better.

But I bet someone will give a good arguement why it's not the case. 8)   

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

  • Posts: 489
Re: how many jets
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2007, 07:15:21 pm »
Ever used the jacketed solution hoses from Ashby's. They don't leave run lines when you're running at high temps. Annoyingly they only do 25 foot lengths.
Anyone know where solution hoses can be made up with these at 50 foot lengths?

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: how many jets
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2007, 07:46:43 pm »
I have bought some legths of foam type tubing from bq I think plumbers use it for insulation , a simple slice with a stanly and it sits nicely over the line, I initialy bought it to fit over couplings , but works fine on line . an extra couple of mins thats all it takes .
oh and around 48p a lenght

geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha