[stevegunn]

I'm looking at buying a new machine as my ninja which is only 7 months old has let me down pump has gone.I am looking at the cfr and the eclipse which Nick is going to get shortly.Obviously everyone has different opinions but could someone give me some help.I have emailed a few americans who have the eclipse and nothing but praise.The cfr opinions differ some good some bad can anyone help the cfr is it all down to training or are the machines any good

[paul@ctcs]

Steve,
I know some will disagree but i dont like the idea of recycling the water as the CFR machine does
 On the really filthy greasy jobs i wouldnt feel confident i was doing a decent job.

But what do i know?? Ive never used one

Paul

[Shaun_Ashmore]

A great idea would be to train with someone who has bought one ( but not someone who sells them )

Perhaps try Derek Bolton and you ask him the ins and outs while you are there, have a go, then go on an Amtech course or demo a machine with Steve Carpenter.

Shaun

[Michel Roberts]

Steve

Ken Wrainwright, posted a few weeks ago on one of the boards, that he had connacted six carpet cleaners who had all been using high powered portables and had switched to cfr(mainly pro station 400) and without exception not one of them would go back to their old machines.

This alone is enough to make me consider this system

I also am looking to buy a top of the range machine ie cfr, high spec portable the only thing that is stopping me is that I can't make up my mind on which one to get.

Some things to consider. 

Cfr will be bringing out a new machine towards the end of next year which will have the option of heat and also twin vac(the current machine has only one vac though this may not be the disadvantage it may at first seem do to the machines set up)

The eclipse weighs 120lbs which is very heavy, only 10lbs more than apro station 400 but it matters when you are approaching the limits of whar you can(or want to) lift

On the other hand if you get an eclipse you will be dealing with nick, who from my own dealings with him and reports I have heard from others is a first class chap who provides a first class service to his customers.

Amtech may well be the same I just hav,nt bought enough from them to know, However Steve Carpenter who is connected to amtec in someway is very expert on their system and very helpfull.

(what do you think JB was that diplomatic enough?)

Steve as we seem to be in the same boat give me a ring and we can swop info

0800 281 494

Michel   

[Mark Roberts]

http://www.another forum.co.uk/?board=cc_issues;action=display;num=1097436040

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4511.0

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=124.0

I like my CFR because it goes upstairs so easy. I used to struggle like hell with my pro-plus. And cleans brill.

Mark

[Derek]

Mark

Your final comment is so right....at my age that's important.

The weight distribution means that it is also safer to negotiate stairs...
the times I have struggled with other machines and almost ended up in a heap 'amongst the machine' at the bottom of a flight of stairs.

Derek

[stevegunn]

Weight is not a factor for me i'm a big strong lad cleaning performance is more important i think i need to see the cfr in operation first before i can make my mind up

[easi-kleen]

I am also in the market for a replacement to my ninja. CFR and Eclipse are the main contenters.

However I am holding fire until I have mastered microsplitters, I have only been using them afew weeks but wether I stick with them or not could determine what machine I buy.

Phil

[Dynafoam]

Phil,

I think that you are wise to limit the variables by mastering the chemical methodology with you current equipment first.

However, since micro-splitters are use sucessfully by users of CFR and more conventional machine, I cannot see how the chemical results would influence the choice of machine.

[easi-kleen]

True

But conventional chemicals cant be used with the cfr

Phil

[Dynafoam]

Phil,

Don't Tell Steve Carpenter or my little brother that - They would have to change their machines 

[jmj]

I own a cfr 1000 altra and have been using it for nearly 12 months now, but like everyone else not had the luxury to use the eclipse.

I brought the machine to use inconjuction with micro splitters, I found it quite a struggle for the first 3 months or so but wasn't able to determine whether this was down to the machine or new cleaning product.( or me)

After 3 months i decided to go back to my old twin vac 100psi machine using prochems crystal greeen etc and at first was glad I did ( just like an old friend) . I then found it was back to bloody hard work and actually inferior results.So back again to cfr and microspillters.

It's fair to say that I think we've all struggled to come to terms with micro splliters at first, but now I've been on a couple of courses I think I've got the better of them.

The cfr machine does take some getting used to but believe me when you do you wouldn't go back to a "conventional" machine no matter how powerful they seem.There's this major hang up on cleaning with "recycled dirty water", as many of you hold Nick in quite high asteem, check with him what machines he used in conjuction with both one step and then his own solutions.

Cfr tooling enables you to clean the same piece of carpet upto 20 times without wetting the back of the carpet ensuring maximum rinsing of all soils and stains.

Steve Carpenter once showed a demo of cleaning a oriental rug using one step and cfr, the results were astounding and everyone present stood open mouthed.

Amtech uk have provided a great service to me so I for one would recommend them.

joe

[stevegunn]

I own a cfr 1000 altra and have been using it for nearly 12 months now, but like everyone else not had the luxury to use the eclipse.

I brought the machine to use inconjuction with micro splitters, I found it quite a struggle for the first 3 months or so but wasn't able to determine whether this was down to the machine or new cleaning product.( or me)

After 3 months i decided to go back to my old twin vac 100psi machine using prochems crystal greeen etc and at first was glad I did ( just like an old friend) . I then found it was back to bloody hard work and actually inferior results.So back again to cfr and microspillters.

It's fair to say that I think we've all struggled to come to terms with micro splliters at first, but now I've been on a couple of courses I think I've got the better of them.

The cfr machine does take some getting used to but believe me when you do you wouldn't go back to a "conventional" machine no matter how powerful they seem.There's this major hang up on cleaning with "recycled dirty water", as many of you hold Nick in quite high asteem, check with him what machines he used in conjuction with both one step and then his own solutions.

Cfr tooling enables you to clean the same piece of carpet upto 20 times without wetting the back of the carpet ensuring maximum rinsing of all soils and stains.

Steve Carpenter once showed a demo of cleaning a oriental rug using one step and cfr, the results were astounding and everyone present stood open mouthed.

Amtech uk have provided a great service to me so I for one would recommend them.

joe

I believe Nick never recommeded cfr machines

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4065.20#msg32444

[stevegunn]

I have made my mind up its going to be the Eclipse because if anything goes wrong with a cfr machine my local repair place had never heard of them must live in the dark ages but because of the location of Amtek it would not be a wise move for myself being up North if anything did go wrong.

[nick.solution]

Hi Joe

 I'm glad you' ve mastered the machine they can take some getting used to and as it's quite and investment you need to make it work.

as for which chemicals I used I only used microsplitters with the CFR on a handfull of occasions, in conjunction with agitation and/or bonnet cleaning my prefered chemicals were

CFrs own products as they are the only ones that produce the correct in tank cleaning.

Reclaim, Excell A, Excell B, Enz Soil1,  and Performal concentrate, in the Ozone machine OZ-Clean as nothing else can be used when using the Ozone generator especially not microsplitters as the phosphate works against the system, Shut out Asit, and for deodorsisation Deo Reo. I still have a number of these product on my shelf and no CFR machines so if any-one would like to make an offer get in touch

The CFR manual explains why you should not use other chemicals in the system.

 "CFR chemicals have been specifically designed to enhance the performance of the patented CFR recycling system. They prevent soil redeposition on cleaned surfaces and protect the workstations special circulation and filtration equipment.

All chemicals used in CFR machines must have properties that allow them to remain active during recycling, in addition, cleaning chemicals should not be excessivley corrosive to steel and aluminium."

I hope this helps

Best regards Nick