[woodman]

A much respected poster has been caught out by a 'fellow' poster when he was asked for help and responded by sending one of his cleaning machines to the guy with the intention of him using it and trying it out, he then had the option of either buying it or sending it back.

Unfortunately the guy has done neither and will not return any calls or requests to explain his behaviour to the chap concerned.

We know he is still trading and his office does assure him that they are passing the messages on, so why he is doing this to a fellow cleaner is a mystery and certainly not what we have come to expect from the guys and girls on here who have helped out on countless occassions, other cleaners who were in need of help.

What we have now is a cleaner who is minus one machine,out of pocket as he sent it at his own expence, and I should imagine, not about to make the same mistake twice so others on here will suffer as a consequence.

I hope the person concerned reads this and responds as we would all hope, and explains that it is a genuine oversight on his part and makes good his end of the deal,with a little compensation thrown in for good measure.

I know this is a one off but to others I would just warn that maybe if you don't know who you are dealing with it might be a good idea to get a deposit from the firm/guy concerned before you send any machinery off,covering the full replacement value should anything occur.

Lets hope this situation resolves it's self in favour of the person concerned in the not to distant future .

[garyj]

If the person doesn't respond in the next few days, do we get to find out who it is??

[replacement]

Name and Shame. That way no one else will full in the same trap.

[woodman]

I know what your saying but lets see how things pan out.

Besides if you follow some simple rules such as getting a deposit of some sort you should be ok.

[Len Gribble]

Woodman

A very sad state of affairs, I’m with Justin on this but there has to be a time limit on holding back.

By the way hard reading blue on blue.

Len

[adl]

I agree that we should all  be warned about this however the person involved must have the opportunity to rectify the problem before his name is published, after all there could be a simple explanation as to why.

So LEN if you could return my mechanical rubber doll i wont say any more about it

regards Dave ADL

[Len Gribble]

Dave

No chance mothering law like it so much, she keeps it lock away. Wife is totally bemused by it.

Len

[seanc]

hey len why are you lending out my doll ? 

but seariously call the old bill its clased as theft

[darragh]

I gave out a trailer mounted machine to a supplier who was stuck to do a demo. He had it for a week. I later found out that he rented it out to someone else for a few hundred quid to get a job done faster and never told me. Never lend equipment to anyone and always see the colour of money.

[Len Gribble]

Seanc

Sorry every one likes it, been told the own has good taste?  It doing the rounds it’s in Spain at the moment may be back on 18th Dec if not I will personally pick it up in the New Year.

Woodman

It’s been 10 days has it been sorted?

Len

[paul@ctcs]

Woodman,

So has this situation been resolved yet??


Paul

[woodman]

In a word NO,

There are some ongoing enquiries so don't want to say too much at this stage

[Len Gribble]

Woodman

I would give them till this Friday 3rd then the gloves would be off.

Don’t care if possession is 9 10th of the law what is mine is mine!!

Len

[RJS]

Possession thankfully IS NOT 9/10th of the law as commonly believed...TITLE is having PROOF OF OWNERSHIP...and I'm sure the gentleman concerned will have a VAT receipt filed away somewhere for the machine.

In brief..For the charge of Theft to be justified, there must be evidence of an intention to 'permanantly deprive a person of an object or possession belonging to them'...so if the guy says "Oh sorry I forgot I had it ....didn't get the messages" etc he wouldn't be charged, as long as he returned the equipment.

My advise would be to send the guy a letter giving a deadline for the return of his machine, suggesting a donantion for the extended use of it (wear & tear/loss of revenue) with the threat of police involvement if this isn't adhered to.

p.s. What the hell is a mechanical doll? 

Rich

[stevekennedy]

Why not send the guy an invoice for £1000 assuming that he has decided to keep the machine. Send it by special delivery and make sure that you put clear terms on the invoice, (E.g. payment must be received within 14 days). The advantage of this is that, should he withhold payment again, you can now chase him through the small claims court which costs you nothing.

Once the small claims court finds in your favour, you can send the bailiffs round to enforce the order. He will have to pay them £1000 + their (usually exhorbatant) costs. Or else, they will seize goods to the 'auction value' of £1000 + their costs. Which will mean in reality the guy will probably lose £5000 worth of goods, or more! (This can be very satisfying to the innocent party    )

People usually pay when faced with the court order.

Hope you get it resolved!

PS If you have any emails, letters, postings etc Keep them safe. If you made the deal verbally, write down the precise date and time of the conversation and exactly what was said by both parties. Do this as soon as you can and keep it safe.

[wreelyclean_servic]

  ...Me and my mates love these DARK nights when people are getting home in the DARK.

 

[Len Gribble]

Woodman

What’s the position?

Len

[woodman]

Hi Len

watch this space!

Just waiting on a decision the outcome of which will decide the next course of action.

[bigfish]

  lets go and sort it

[woodman]

Update:

It give me no pleasure to inform you that unfortunately the person concerned has decided for what ever reasons not to respond to letters the owner of the machine sent or e-mails from here giving him the opportunity to put things right or at least explain himself.We all know some times we fall on hard times and money is tight but if this was the situation (and we have no way of knowing if it is) then a simple call or letter would have helped ease the situation and maybe some sort of arrangement could have been sorted out over payment.

The person concerned is Barry Livingstone of BJL Cleaning Services of Fife Scotland.

He posted on here as scotts cleaner or northern lights.

Musicman responded to a call for help for the loan of a machine with a view to buying it.Barry wanted to try it out for a night club contract he had.If it wasn't suitable it was to be shipped back to musicman no questions asked.All seems pretty straightforward and Barry duly confirmed the machines arrival at his premises for the trial clean.

Thats where it ends I am afraid,since it was sent early May of this year.No calls no letters no money no machine.

Musicman is £957.63 out of pocket which includes the machine,the VAT and the carriage which he also paid for.He could try the small claims court or the police for recovery all of which involves more time and money of course but might be better than just allowing him to get away with it.Or driving up to Fife and collecting it himself, if its  there at all who knows it may well have been sold on.

Point is, it all leaves a bad taste in the mouth and to my knowledge is the first time a member on here has ripped off a fellow member something unheard off as most are only to willing to help each other out. ( just look at Paul Chambers plight and the way everyone has responded).

I hope Barry Livingstone reads this and realises the upset he has caused and does the right thing by Musicman.