[Mrs Nicholls]

Hi

does anyone know about what has to be paid to the employee for travel between cleaning jobs through the day?

I know that travel to the first job / or to the office is normal commute, and back home from last job / or from the office.

Is there a set in stone amount you have to pay? can you pay per mile or per time it takes to get between jobs?

Thanks
Lisa

[cml]

Can I ask how they are travelling between jobs i.e. by car,  bus etc as it all depends on your company policy.   If they are travelling from job to job directly after each other they may be considered to be in the course of their employment.  Therefore you may need to set a figure per mile for travel if by car and reimbursement of tvl expenses by bus over a set distance etc.

[Mrs Nicholls]

hi

its by their own car, they sometimes are required in the office to collect keys etc, then off to their jobs, perhaps 2 or 3. then back to the office.

some days they drive directly to the jobs from their house.

is there a cost per mile i would have to allow?

[cml]

Hi Lisa, if it is a requirement that they drive their cars to work they would be required to have business insurance for the use of their vehicles and there is legislation surrounding an amount that you can pay per mile. 

You may want to check the hmrc.gov.uk/employers websit for the various rates for consideration.

[Mrs Nicholls]

business car insurance? even if they are employees?

[glenda hollis]

Yes, business insurance as they are using their car for work purposes. Norwich Union is one insuerer that allows business use (except for one or two ocupations) as standard. What i don't understand fully is your original question. Your business by its very nature means that your staff have to travel from one place to another. Are you suggesting that because they are not physically cleaning something when they are driving that the travelling between jobs is something for which you would not class as 'works time'? If not then what else would you class it as? If i were your employee i would expect to be paid for a set number of hours per day in which all cleaning and travelling was done, except of course for the time that was unpaid as break-time. It is down to you to decide whether or not you consider travelling to be paid or not, it is a matter of your company policy as stated by someone else earlier on. You may want to say that the commute from their house to the first job is classed as a 'normal' commute but if that distance varies from day to day then you have to define where you draw the line. If i were you i would sit down and pretend i was the cleaner and i would look at your rules and rate of pay and decide if what you are offering was an attractive enough proposition. Not being paid for the travelling between jobs would not excite me.

[Mrs Nicholls]

hi glenda

i was just wondering really.
My staff are paid travel time in between cleans, but where some are very happy one is always bringing up an excuse of fuel expenses and that travel between clients is not what she wants, wear and tear on car etc. I think shes being over dramatic. I currently pay travel time rather than by mile, but was thinking of changing to say 25-30p per mile instead.

thanks
Lisa

[steve doyle]

"some days they drive directly to the jobs from their house."


Does this mean your still letting keys go home with the staff lisa?


steve

[Mrs Nicholls]

no way steve, some customers are in when we clean, so no keys are required.

[carpet guy]

I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that such expence, as you describe, have to be claimed, directly, by the employee, to I/R.

We were led to believe, that we should no longer pay expenses to employees, as we could no longer claim them as a business expense, but employees  should claim directly.

Local authorities brought followed this route 2 years ago and we followed their example.

[steve doyle]

Thats good lisa, how are things going in general? improving?

[Mrs Nicholls]

Thank you for asking steve. Appraisals have been  bit harsh and seemed to have put a few noses out of joint, and with a dismissal last week aswell, hopefully things will now pick up, some people just dont like someone younger being their manager, i find it so disrespectful, but i'm sure that if they dont improve they'll be out after xmas. Looks like a tougher stance has done us well!

[mark dew]

Thank you for asking steve. Appraisals have been  bit harsh and seemed to have put a few noses out of joint, and with a dismissal last week aswell, hopefully things will now pick up, some people just dont like someone younger being their manager, i find it so disrespectful, but i'm sure that if they dont improve they'll be out after xmas. Looks like a tougher stance has done us well!

Good for you lisa.

[Art]

Lisa, have you ever considered putting yourself on a man management course? I'm not having a go, but you keep having the same sort of problems over and over again.
You've asked similar questions on many occasions and have been given good advice each time ,and still the same problems keep coming up.

Arthur

[Mrs Nicholls]

hi art

im looking into some courses for the new year, not sure which ones to do yet, training is always the way to go, im a sort of sort everyone else out first then me last, just my personality.  i think i would benefit from some assertiveness courses or something like, seeing as people tend to walk over me even if im stomping and yelling, doesnt matter what approach i take, people still take the pee. im invisable to some, nevermind.

[Art]

Hi Lisa,

I'm glad you took what i said as constructive.

It's your business and the bare bones to build your business is you. Get yourself on one of the courses.

Arthur

[steve doyle]

Im glad things are improving lisa, sounds like your on the right track.

As far as shouting, telling people  off and verbal instructions go, its woth remembering people can ignore it all, Actions speak alot louder! (sounds like youve found this out)

Anyway keep it up lisa and you will get their, but remember when its working not to change back to the old ways or so will the staff.

steve