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stevegunn

Woolsafe or not
« on: November 13, 2004, 06:35:13 pm »
Alot has been spoken about woolsafe or not.What affect if any would say using Solution No2 which has not got woolsafe approval on a wool carpet?

Dynafoam

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2004, 07:05:19 pm »
Steve,

There are a number of products on the market which probably comply to the Woolsafe standard but have failed to gain approval simply because the manufacturers have decided not to commit to the expense of the approval process and the on-going annual fees. One Step fineline is probably one such.

There are other products that do not comply to the standard but are unlikely to cause noticeable damage, though they are not ideally suited to wool fibre. The product you mentioned being one such.

There are also products which are unsuitable for various reasons and some responsible manufacturers will openly admit to their un-suitability - for example Prochem Double Clean.

The way I see it is that if we are to accept that the Woolsafe standard has been set by an independent and knowledgeable body to define a group of products that are best suited to the purpose, then as professionals we have a duty of care to generally use products that adhere to, or at lest are close to that standard.

On occasions, in our professional judgement, it may be deemed necessary to over-step these boundaries to achieve our objectives. That, I believe, is reasonable in the same way that an oncologist will administer chemotherapy, in the certain knowledge that it will make the patient sometime very ill, but in the hope that the final outcome will justify the short-term damage done to the patients system. A clear example of the ends justifying the means.

What I do not consider to be professional behaviour is for a CC to habitually use "Good strong stuff" with total disregard for any consequential damage done, simply because it is the easiest, quickest way to make a carpet look clean, when a different methodology could achieve the same cleanliness without the consequential detriment.

...........Just one mans view.


*paul_moss

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2004, 07:22:17 pm »
John totally agree with your comments.
I am  sure the other guys would agree.
I think you made a mistake on the  last paragraph of your thread


What I do not consider to be professional behaviour is for a CC to habitually use "Good strong stuff" with total disregard for any consequential damage done, simply because it is the easiest, quickest way to make a carpet look clean, when a different methodology could achieve the same cleanliness without the consequential detriment.

...........Just one mans view.

 I am sure you meant Unprofessional.

Regards
Paul
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Dynafoam

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2004, 07:33:28 pm »
Paul,

Old codgers do make mistakes but in this instance, I meant what I wrote ...... "I do not consider" that behaviour to be professional.

I think you got the meaning but miss-read the sentence  :D

Len Gribble

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2004, 07:35:36 pm »
Paul

Think John’s right “What I do not consider to be professional behaviour”

On another note re john’s first paragraph wasn’t ProMite endorsed by the asthma org but not any more?

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

*paul_moss

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2004, 08:02:34 pm »
John & Len
Sorry  think I need to go to Specsavers  :-*

Paul
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
REMOVED FOR POSTING OFFENSIVE MATERIAL

Len Gribble

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2004, 08:10:07 pm »
Paul

Know how you feel Specsavers weren’t around, when I got married. :( :(

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

John_Flynn

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2004, 11:38:01 pm »
My visit to Spesavers made my Dragon look better I couldn't see through the damm things!! Never again.
I get better looking each day!!

Derek

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2004, 04:40:12 pm »
Hi Guys

Something to ponder on.... The BSI testing of fabrics and fibres is carried out within the pH range of 5.5 and 8.4.. once you step outside of these boundaries you are in "no man's/woman's land"

Make sure your insurance premiums are up to date

Derek

Doug Holloway

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Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2004, 05:20:11 pm »
Hi,

See another forum re Traffic Lanes where a similar discussion is going on,

Cheers,

Doug
P.s Just found www.woolsafe.org/professionalproductstext.htm

Dynafoam

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2004, 08:07:35 pm »
Steve,

There are a number of products on the market which probably comply to the Woolsafe standard but have failed to gain approval simply because the manufacturers have decided not to commit to the expense of the approval process and the on-going annual fees. One Step fineline is probably one such.


It appears that I am out of date on Fineline  :-[

Whilst I have always accepted that it was a suitable product for use on wool, the only supplies I have had did not have the Woolsafe logo on the label. The product has in fact been approved for some time and whilst I do not think that my error would have in any way dissuaded anyone from purchasing the product I felt that I should put the record strait.

My appologies to all at Amtech.

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2004, 10:00:50 am »
Hi Guys

Whether Solution No2 would actually cause any damage to wool is unclear, however No4 IS Woolsafe approved and carries the neccesary stamp of approval.

If you are offering Woolsafe cleaning to your customer, it is wise to make sure you are using correct chemicals.

Best regards Nick

Dynafoam

Re: Woolsafe or not
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2004, 10:17:12 am »
Quite right young Nick,

Since we, the end users, are not in a position to test to the extent of the Woolsafe organisation, their approval is our only assurance that we are using products within their specification.

Whilst I feel that it is likely that niether One Step nor Solution No.2 would do significant - if any - harm, Fineline and Solution No. 4 come with an independant assurance of compliance.