[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

Oh no, here we go again :

I use CFR tooling. I clean a lot of wool carpets using m/s, Host agitation and Ninja high lift/ low cfm plain water rinse.
My problem - There's not enough cfm available to sufficiently dry the carpets so I'm considering a multiple parallel vac setup but this would cause a big reduction in water lift.
When I have run a single vac motor to get an idea of how the tools perform with lower lift (like a CFR machine) I find that the water recovery is more or less the same (waste tank measurements) BUT... The wand head gets large clumps of wool fibre just sitting in the entrance - not going anywhere. Has anyone experienced this problem or is it just because I tried one vac motor. I'd appreciate comments from any triple vac parallel porty owners.

Here's to a busy run up to year end.
Alan

[Mike Halliday]

 I'm finding your post a little confusing, are you saying you have 2 vacs in series and want to try parallel? but are worried that parallel vacs have lower cfms.

the problem you've got is leaving the carpet to wet, whether your vacs are  in series or parallel doesn't make any difference, you've been listening to too many salesmen selling what their machines have.

if you want drier carpets them good wand technique & more dry strokes is what you need

wool sitting in the vac slot is no measurement of power

Mike

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

Maybe I waffled a bit. Sorry.
I dont get the problem of fluff sitting in the wand head with two in series because of great suction.
If I change over to 2 in parallel (which will reduce the suction) will the increase in airflow shift the fluff (or do I rely on the big suction)?

Alan

[robert stubbs]

Hi Alan, I have a Aqua 40 with 5.7" parallel motors and the lift /airflow is awesome ,especially when I use 2"  vac hose ( No fluff). When I had my Ninja the motors were 7.2" and spun slower so did not seem as powerful,this seemed to be the case compared to my friends Alltec Advantage with 7.2" in parallel,the Aqua 40 seemed to have the edge.



    Regards Rob

[*paul_moss]

Alan, why do you want a quicker drying time on rugs ?

My view is that I could not use a CFR hand tool on a rug because of the angle of the jet. The CFR is designd with the jet flow at an acute angle which will only jet the top of the pile as the hand tool is designd for upholstery. My prefered hand tool for rugs is th Prochem Drymaster as it has a flood jet that fires in above the pile hnce giving further penetration ino the pile which is necessary for all dense piled rugs.
In relation to drying times in the summer months I just hang and they take a few hours to dry, this time of year they can take a couple of days, I usually give mycustomrs a one week lead time with ugs but this time of year they can wait up to 2 weeks.

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

First of all, Rob thankyou very much for your helpful response and secondly Paul - this only seems to be a problem with the wand. I use the special purpose handtool on rugs with great results. See 'Olney rugs' website for the short video clip. They use same system.

Regards
Alan

[*paul_moss]

Maybe I waffled a bit. Sorry.
I dont get the problem of fluff sitting in the wand head with two in series because of great suction.
If I change over to 2 in parallel (which will reduce the suction) will the increase in airflow shift the fluff (or do I rely on the big suction)?

Alan

Alan try using a truckmount then if you want more vac/suck  unless you have one of those portys that are more powerfull than a truck  :

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

I rarely use more than 100' of hose, I often work in secure locations and restricted parking area's and as I advertise a 'green' approach to cleaning - I wouldn't use a truckmount because it puts out up to SIX times more carbon into the air than a normal car engine. Just as daft as pop stars jetting around the globe to arrive at venues to hilight global warming (a bit extreme but it goes to prove a point). I would like a truckmount but fail to see any genuine benefit over a well designed porty.

Alan

[*paul_moss]

Sorry to sound condesending, but thats poope.
Thats the kind of answer I would expect on the cleantalk board.

[Mike Halliday]

that was'nt a nice thing to say

I'm sure he can back up his claim that T/Ms produce SIX times more carbon than an average car :

Mike

[*paul_moss]

 : :

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Most engines are about 1/6th of the size of a cars engines unless you have a Vortex or a Range Rover Vogue.

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

modern car engine have catalytic converters fitted to stop some of the harmful fumes escaping into the atmosphere, so theoreticaly a small car engine might be less polluting than the really big T/Ms, but six times less carbon, not possible ( but I would love to be proven wrong)

what I find most laughable is the idea that anyone would chose not to use a T/M because they want to be 'green'

Mike

[mark_roberts]

Im starting to detest (sp) the green issues.  I think people are ONLY green because its now cool and if theres something in it for them ie. their approach to selling their business services.  Based on that theory Im proudly carbon positive with my TM because it makes me more money than a portable which of coarse used electric.

Back to the question.  Having had a Ninja IMO any more than 50ft of hose is too much of a loss in vac power which equals longer drying esp this time of year.  With the Ninja youll also be tempted to have the pressure up at 300-400psi which again is putting more water down than 100psi.  The CFR tool is an upholstery tool and even with a TM fails to penetrate thick rugs.

For better drying times i found vacs in parallel are better but using a vac booster and dryers are the only way to boost a portables vacuum recovery.

Rugs should not take one to two weeks to dry as its a problem waiting to happen.  A heater and fan has them dry in  a few hours.

Mark

[*paul_moss]

Im starting to detest (sp) the green issues.  I think people are ONLY green because its now cool and if theres something in it for them ie. their approach to selling their business services.  Based on that theory Im proudly carbon positive with my TM because it makes me more money than a portable which of coarse used electric.

Back to the question.  Having had a Ninja IMO any more than 50ft of hose is too much of a loss in vac power which equals longer drying esp this time of year.  With the Ninja youll also be tempted to have the pressure up at 300-400psi which again is putting more water down than 100psi.  The CFR tool is an upholstery tool and even with a TM fails to penetrate thick rugs.

For better drying times i found vacs in parallel are better but using a vac booster and dryers are the only way to boost a portables vacuum recovery.

Rugs should not take one to two weeks to dry as its a problem waiting to happen.  A heater and fan has them dry in  a few hours.

Mark

Mark good post. With a lot of common sence said.

Just to qualify your last point which I think relates to my post. I said I tell my customers that this time of year rugs have a 2 week lead time, that is because of higher work volume ,I did not say 2 week drying time. Normaly my customers have a one week lead time for rugs.( Lead time = rug pick up from customer , clean and delivery back to home)

[mark_roberts]

Beg pardon.

Ive 8 drying as we speak but its also 3 degrees and I may need another heater.

BTW Ive the 3kw heater from Broughton.  Great job, very robust.

Mark

[alan lewis]

Alan

" I wouldn't use a truckmount because it puts out up to SIX times more carbon into the air than a normal car engine".

If thats true then have a TM converted to run on LPG, problem solved.

Alan

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

Cost of putting together a 223" water lift - 223 cfm, 500 psi porty ... Not much over 2k.
Cost of 190" water lift - 250 cfm petrol truckmount 10k? Plus LPG conversion cost...
Alan

[Mike Halliday]

Alan which portable & T/M are you getting these figure from

also don't forget the 3 electric heat exchangers you'll need to equal the T/M heatexchanger ( oops I forgot you don't need heat with todays environmentally friendly chemicals : :) AND the five electric cables you'll need to power the portable and heat exchangers to be on par with the T/M

if we are truly comparing a portable with a T/M we need to add £11000 a year to pay for the assistant who will be constantly filling and emptying the portable while you work, unless its van mounted which means you need a waste & fresh tank also a hose reel with 200ft of hose & solution line........ HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!! THAT NOT A PORTABLE.... THATS A POOR MANS TRUCKMOUNT

Mike

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

Truckmounts - all that unnecesarry heat, truckmount owners - all that hot air ... Could we be looking at global warming public enemy number one?

Alan