[tony harrison]

Hi there,

Has anyone used both the cfr handtool and the Hydramaster jetless handtool and if so which one do you find better.

Also If the cfr is you favourite which is the best size to use (  3" or 5" ) on upholstery .

Regards Tony

[Joe H]

Cant comment on your first point as I have not used the Hydramaster.

Second point - I do have CFR handtool - the 5" and for the flat areas of upholstery I find it ok. Its the curvey bits, the ends of the arms at the front - better with a 3".
Need both I suppose - but expense wise !!!

[tony harrison]

thanks Joe

[Ken Wainwright]

Ditto Joe.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[spencer davies]

Hello Joe, how's the Scorpion going?

I swear by my CFR hand tool, wouldn't use anything else.


Regards


S   

[Joe H]

Scorpion absolutely fine Spencer.

Did a lounge/dining room today (Wonderwand), then stairs/landing (5" CFR), both touch dry as I was leaving 1 hr 45min after starting.

[*paul_moss]

I just love this stuff.
Re the 2 hand tools, I have owened both but found the cfr best. 3 inch is best interms of easness of use,but the 5 inch is good on larger areas and quicker. Not really desined forstairs though,its an upholstery tool.
Jo cant believe you had a through lounge hand dry in 90 mins this time of year. I think your last post should have been placed on clean talk.

[tony harrison]

Thanks everone,

You have helped me make up my mind. I have used a jetless handtool for the past 5 years and thought it was great.The only drawback I found was because the body is made out of plastic it tended to ware quickly ,I have replaced the it 3 times so far.

Paul as you have used both types, you know the hydramaster handtool keeps a constant temp at the tool head if you leave the valve open, does the cfr loose much temp as I will be using it with a truck mount.
  Regards Tony

[Joe H]

Paul - your not implying I have as much suction as the Scorpion are you?
Shame on you

[*paul_moss]

Tony I use mine too with truckmount and found it the best hand tool out of all the major branded ones.
My most favorite hand tool for use is the Kleenrite swivel head as it is the most easiest to use. However the kleenrite does not work as well with the truckmount but it was great to use with a portable at 100 psi. I used to have a small Sphere portable  that I soley used for upholstery cleaning and the Kleenrite worked wonders with that machine.

[*paul_moss]

Jo dont want to get into the airflow/suction debate b*llocks with machines and especially the Scorpion,( with 3 vac's on board it should be able to suck the b*olloks off you so be carful changing those hand tools  )

Basically if a moderetly dirty carpet has been fully cleaned correctly there is no way it will be dry in 90 mins.

This comes up on the forums time and time again and you get a lot of new cleaners looking in and thinking that they can get carpets dry instantly by buying this machine or that wand or by this technique etc, in the real world its not the case.

Mind you if you had cleaned all the carpets with the cfr hand tool then I would have believed it 

[spicnspan the cleaning man]

 Hi Tony been useing hydramaster for some time with a prochem steempro portable
very good get the flow right and it will go along way i can have a 3 seater dry before i leave the job and poss 1 chair clients think its brill

Tony spic n span 1

[Joe H]

Did a lounge/dining room today (Wonderwand), then stairs/landing (5" CFR), both touch dry as I was leaving 1 hr 45min after starting.

Paul - re read what I said, please.

The degree of dryness I expressed was "touch dry", which we both know to be different then fully dry.
The lounge/dining carpet was not an easy one to clean in the main traffic areas - hall leads into lounge, lounge to dining area, dining to kitchen - you have seen the spills before yourself I'm sure. I really had to work hard in those areas inparticular to get them to a standard I was was satisfied with.
So when I said the carpets were touch dry I sincerely meant it. But dont twist my words please.

I know you are not a lover of Solutions Uk, like some of the others on this forum, and thats fine with me, no bother. I am learning to read between the lines like you encouraged me to a few months back.
But just because someone expressed an honest opinion which included a machine supplier you dont like does not mean to say that person is not sincere nor his/her statement not true.

For the record, after just over 90 minutes of cleaning a lounge/dining carpet, stairs and landing with CFR tools and a Scorpion on a mild November morning with the machine sat outside and the front door open - THE CARPETS WERE TOUCH DRY.

[*paul_moss]

Jo dont get too wound up, time will show reality.

[John Gregory]

Paul,   are you in the pub that post doesn't make sense

John

[*paul_moss]

John Im just trying to let Joe know that  the road  he is taking is not what is seems, as I took it a couple of years back.
Joe will know what i mean, if not today, then a year or 2 from now he will 

[John Gregory]

He's not heavy he's my brother

John

[Joe H]

If YOU dont get on with Solutions UK then you have a problem, not me.
I'm my own man, I take people as I find them.

Your reply to my post about a carpet that I said was touch dry  .....

"Basically if a moderetly dirty carpet has been fully cleaned correctly there is no way it will be dry in 90 mins".

No mention of Solutions UK there so I take it you were saying I was not telling the truth, I was misleading people.
I don't tell lies, and I have nothing to gain personally by misleading people.

I was there, you were not.
I worked the machine and tools, you did'nt.

and to be honest, if I was working with my CFR500 Pro I reckon it may not of been too much difference.

I am not sitting happy at the moment.

I said earlier "I'm my own man, I take people as I find them"
at this point in time the personnel at Solutions UK have quiet a few more points in the bag then you.
That may not bother you, and it dont bother me either.

[*paul_moss]

Joe no were on this post have I said I dont get on with Solutions Uk. You have mentioned it twice I have said it at no point. :

You may be old in tooth but you are quite inexperienced when it comes to new technology and modern cleaning.
There is no way that you can fully clean that amount of carpets and leave them dry/hand dry, fact. Unless you have low moisture cleaned them and used turbos and they are synthetic.

So go and wind your neck in.

[Len Gribble]

Is touch dry in the dictionary? Imo it wet well damp! Joe this morning I’d done Ivanhoe old house advised them about ventilation to speed up drying, sorry about name-dropping. (I am not sitting happy at the moment now that sad, but you have to be a team player )

John

Are you trying to take over my quips?

Len