[gwrightson]

Can any body give me one good reason why,  solution line cannot be threaded into your vac hose ?

i can think of a few benifits.

easier handling, no more tangling,  more space , get rid of the solution reel,  and I think quite an important benifit, if you are unfortunate to have a burst line. no more hot water spurting out over the custys furnishings.

geoff

[vangaurd]

what?

[gwrightson]

read slowly, its not criptic

Geoff

[vangaurd]

you need to start, taking more tablets per hour m8

[gwrightson]

any body got a reasonable responce?

Im beggining to worry about william hills favorite punter!  

Geoff

[Kev Loomes]

Apart from reducing the width of the vac hose (albeit slightly), and therefore reducing the efficiency, you will be cooling down the solution hose with the rush of air from the vac's (when idle) - reducing the heat in the pipe (if you use heat). IMO.

Cant think of anything else as to why not...


Kev

[gwrightson]

Kev,

sensible response   yes  ,I would suggest that the difference would be hardly noticable in vac power, as for heat  again if you have plenty of heat in the first place , there will be no difference

Geoff

[vangaurd]

makes as much sense as me losing my nut on ther gamebarca v bolton'

[Liahona]

Geoff, under pressure, suction, the vac hose shrinks albeit silghtly making it if nothing else awkward.

 The couplings of the solution line will "snag" fluff or the like causing a restriction of air flow as well as has been said the fact that the hose will by nature restrict it anyway.

Adding that you will now have to lug around a heavy awkward double hose.

  When you have to shorten your hose run during the job  it will be yet another problem to deal with.

A solution hose will have a different return coil to that of the vac hose again causing a problem.

Lastly, the solution hose and vac hose are by design to be separated in use.

Each to their own but I would suggest against doing it.

I as I think most use a hide a hose for upholstery cleaning.  As much as this is a good idea and I think almost essential it gives you an idea of what a nightmare cleaning a carpet would be with a hide a hose system.

Best, Dave.

[Glynn]

It's actualy quite heavy as well, tried it.

[gwrightson]

Dave,
again thank you for an answer that has some standing, and the snagging has entered my thoughts.

Do you really think that snagging would be a problem on a 2 inch vac hose? I personaly cant see it , but do take your thoughts on board.
I see no difference to worry about regarding the recoiling, after all the line itself surley will sit happilly inside.
I cant quite grasp the answer regarding the shortening of your hose run , as hose and line would be identical lengths I cant see a problem.

I am considering doing this, hence asking for opinions and facts.
so thanks again Dave, your thoughts have been digested

Geoff

[trevor perry]

i have a cfr spotting machine and its solution hose runs inside the vac hose, but it is only a very thin weak solution hose that only feeds 55psi but i suppose it would work just the same with larger solution hose.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

im trying this at the min as i find it hard with two pipes and a wand thats only half a foot bigger then me  , theres very little drop on the vacs but if your worried about this then 2.5 inc vac hose would sort this  

as for heat loss well theres no diffents in hideing hoses then putting them down on the frosty floor i bet ?? and trust me when there pushing 400 psi the water wont have time to cool that much

as for snaging it doesnt happen that much , ive used hide a hose on portys for years and its ok and if your one of these people that per vac befour each job the theres no issure there

 just think no more ironing of carpets and theres only one hose to keep clean !!

im still trying it out at the min,  to see how it goes but works for me so far  

[gwrightson]

other points in its favour, no worrying about scorching and clean line, especially this time of year

I am leaning towards the line inside

Geoff

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Cooling will depend on how many lengths of vac hose you put together but my CFR hand tool collects fluff all the time so I have to keep cutting it off just a hassle more than anything but you will reduce your air flow considerably.

Shaun

[Liahona]

Geoff, with regards the hoses being the same size.  This is only the case when they arent being used.  When the vac hose is being used it shrinks back a little.  

  If for example you lay out 300 feet or 200 feet of hose(s) when the machine is running you then pick up the wand the vac hose will shrink back to the point it wont reach where it was intended to do so.  Obviously if you were going to use a hide a hose then you would take this in to consideration but you get my point.

The natural coil on a solution hose is considerably smaller than that of a vac hose.  Accordingly I think this will also cause a problem.  

My thoughts too and just my thoughts are that the solution line is not designed to have continual flow of whatever comes back the vac hose passing over it.

If you were going to use this for tile cleaning too you would then coat the solution hose and couplings with all sorts of sludge.  No different with using this system for carpet cleaning.

I know a few people who have tried this way of cleaning and have all resorted back to the proper way.

Again, each to their own.

Best, Dave

[Shaun_Ashmore]

What happens if the hose bursts under pressure? that means you will have to renew all of the solution line and thread it through the holes (tedious) or if you get a small hole it will drain your solution tank without you knowing.

Shaun

[gwrightson]

well I am getting a clearer picture now,
Shaun , would you not have to replace the line any way if it burst ? cant see what differnce that makes!

alot less hassle burting inside than over a custys polished table

Geoff .infact i might put up a vote to make me decide

[Shaun_Ashmore]

If you get a leak then you just cut the pipe shorter and get the QC fitted, you can't do that with internal as it has to be the same length as the vac hose, as for bursting a wetting everywhere I've never had it happen like that but it's a no win situation.

Shaun

[carpet guy]

The idea is fine, for a shortish length, maybe the last 10 feet, from the tool end. The weight is already there, so it's not an issue, but snagging will happen.
Tried this out many years ago and only stuck with it for upholstery cleaning, but it makes stair cleaning easier, also.