[Captain Scarlet]

Jeff Brimble has just been here with his Ultra-lite , I got my Super-lite 2 out. Hopefully Jeff will be online in an hour or two and we can have a chat about it. Although the Ultra-lite was slighly lighter you would never have been bale to tell, I do think though that that extra weight of the Super-lite makes it a stronger pole. Jeffs home made F16 felt like the lightest although infact it is somewhere between the Ultra-lite and Super-lite!!! Which goes to show that weight isnt always the key factor. Both poles had the same brush on and flexed equally at the same height which suggests that the Super-lite is sronger as it is heavier than the Ultra-lite, Luke

ps. thanks for the brush Jeff and hope Chris didnt mind us waffling on for ages!!

[macmac]

Look forward to this one, be good to get two good comparisons. nice one Luke.

tony

[Captain Scarlet]

It is hard to compare the poles but I chose the Super-lite because of Gardiners highly regarded service and Alex has already proven himself very helpfull to me, Gardiners also has a long window cleaning history while Alans Emporium specilise in fishing equipment. As Jeff said to me earlier today you can only compare the poles by using both of them for a few weeks, Luke

[brightnclean]

OOOERRRR!!

The pole god is at it again  lol   

[Village Gleam]

Take no notice Luke, you've got one- we ain't- so who's going to tell us about it?

One thing though, for you and Jeff to have a proper debate and to make it interesting you have to have a contrary point of view. Don't go easy on Jeff because he is a friend, use a few pointed remarks to make your points or the rest of us will be asleep. And Jeff, stop being so objective all the time- all this I set the equipment as shown in the diagram stuff, and they are not paying me for this endorsement is dull. Don't tell us what we know tell us what we don't know.

[NWH]

To be honest the S2 is a really well made pole but i find it far more whippy than the first version,i actually prefered the maver pole in use.If you can`t notice the weight difference you obviously didn`t have the maver pole.

[Jeff Brimble]

I have never been at the brush end and watched someone else lifting it up before ( mirror not big enough and always had to stand at the base to lift) but it was a very very big eye opener.  :  Luke picked his up from the blunt end and the whole base sections appeared to bend dramatically. Oh my god   Now I always thought that these poles where stiff. So the S2 bent, now I have always been told that the sections are designed to do that so it shouldnt have come as such a shock. But as I said, never seen it before  :  So I registered it but said nothing. A bit later Luke got hold of the Ultra and blow me the same thing happened, the Ultra bent as well. WOW Big effect, learn something everyday.
Poles to look at are same design, S2 has sections approx 1.5" longer. Top section is slightly smaller dia as it fits loosely in the Ultra st G neck.

Luke kept asking which I thought was the best, and I will tell you the same as I told him, there aint much diff and I would need to work with each. Even then maybe difficult. The diff between the 3 poles is about lets say 8oz and working at height it wouldnt make that much difference. It wasnt a competittion or anything and we couldnt put them against a high building, so it was just waggle them about in the air sort of thing and put them on crates to bounce test them. Then it started to go dark and we couldnt see what we where doing or whose bits where getting put in whose van.

Brightnclean Lukes just starting watch out when he gets into top gear.  

[Jeff Brimble]

Solubility, Lukes not a friend more another competitor- especially as he now has the only pole round here that can go as high as I can. 

[NWH]

I don`t like the section that fits over the top section of the pole,the pole was almost rigid with 4-5 sections with the maver pole.Compared to the maver there`s loads more flex.

[Alex Gardiner]

I don`t like the section that fits over the top section of the pole,the pole was almost rigid with 4-5 sections with the maver pole.Compared to the maver there`s loads more flex.

I understand your comments NWH, as someone who's used version 1 and version 2.  We had to change the flex characteristics to improve strength.  The Super-Lite 1 (Maver sections) was slightly stiffer over the top five sections (very similar overall at 50 ft though).  We had to sacrifice some of this stiffness to increase strength and reliability.  Listening to our customers, we found that long term, strength and reliability were more important to them than a few degrees of flex at 25 ft.  I'm sure you'll agree that the Super-Lite 2 is still very stiff overall when compared to ordinary poles.

[Jeff Brimble]

My Mrs   : has just agreed to let  me  tell you all that I am really going in for politics and I am just trying it out on you all  

Funny you should say that about the styiffness NWH, I also prefer the stiffness of the F16s in comparison with both poles in actual use. BUT you get used to and need a bit of flex it means its stronger. The first prototype Ultra had flex I did not like, so they remade the top 3 and the stiffness is a vast improvement. Ploes dont bend at the joints they bend mostly in the middle as the cross section elongates. Which is noticeable when you put the whole length of the pole flat on the ground and then lift the base up to hand stretch height, you can see the bend. It hadnt sunk home what that meant until tonight  

[Jeff Brimble]

Once I had an ergolite I was able to have something a bit stiffer than The Unger Alu, know what I missed that bounce of the Unger, you got used to it and used it.


Back later.

[Village Gleam]

How to make a potentialy very interesting subject prosaic?

Jeff will explain more later. Too chicken to upset Alex Gardiner, too grand to be Luke's mate, too guarded to express any usefull opinion.

If they are all the same which is the cheapest? And why should you have bought one anyway I thought your fishing pole held all the records.

The first question to be answered is, are the manufactureds versions better than your do it yourself efforts?

You are the man on this Jeff, this is your subject, and your moment, don't bottle it.

[NWH]

I am not afraid to upset anyone and certainly not the suppliers at the end of the day it`s MY money i`m spending and it`s MY money there getting,if a supplier gives me a product that is not what i expected i will speak up especially on this pole it`s not just a few quid i`m spending here.This pole is stronger yes indeed it is,is it more rigid than the maver pole,no.In my opinion i would prefer a pole with exactly the same characteristics and i mean the same,but stronger in build quality.

[Jeff Brimble]

How to make a potentialy very interesting subject prosaic?

Jeff will explain more later. Too chicken to upset Alex Gardiner, too grand to be Luke's mate, too guarded to express any usefull opinion.

If they are all the same which is the cheapest? And why should you have bought one anyway I thought your fishing pole held all the records.

The first question to be answered is, are the manufactureds versions better than your do it yourself efforts?

You are the man on this Jeff, this is your subject, and your moment, don't bottle it.

Ok first question answered, are the shop bought ones better ? Yes. Why ? they come as a complete package also at this early stage appear to be stronger and have a certain guarantee, fishing poles are only guaranteed for fishing.
Why have I bought one ? Because the damm things lighter than the F16 and I am inquisitive. Note For the past 10 years I have bought nearly every window cleaning tool to try to improve my speed. Many lie idle on the shelf. Even got a pair of 25 year old magnetic jobbies, still boxed- useless.

[Davew]

At thirty five feet i couldn't feel or see any noticeable difference between the S1 or S2 as far as stiffness and bend goes. What sold the S2 to me is the increase in strength, after smashing my S1 top section putting it in the van and cracking another section by stepping lightly on it i was finished with expensive fishing poles. So for me the deciding factor between the three poles would need to be a strength test really as their bend characteristics are seemingly fairly close.

[NWH]

Firstly what do you mean by the shop brought ones Jeff,and also with the Maver pole you just have to be careful that you don`t tread on it,i`ve had mine for over a year and have only needed to replace 2 sections due to snapping 1 top section and crushing the 4th section.By tapeing the sections as you know prolongs the life of them no end,i don`t mistreat my poles in anyway and always check them over weekly especially the fishing type poles just to either clean or replace tape etc,if i had to replace sections on the Maver every now and again i could live with that.

[NWH]

Come on Dave,you couldn`t see any difference at 35ft.

[Jeff Brimble]

They can and will be used at 70ft, thats where you really notice things like flex, bend, and when working all day, lightness - when compared to a trad telescopic.
I keep meaning to write a topic entitled "Opportunity knocks" but in a nutshell with H&S as it is, get one and capitalise on the new jobs that are coming in your area  due to ladders being refused on sites. Before your competittor. And if your a ladder user, get a wfp and save your life.

[Jeff Brimble]

NWH ahh yes, "shop bought" could be confusing as fishing poles are purchased from shops. I meant by shop bought, the custom made poles as in the topic title. sorry.