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clevs

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How to stop water freezing on windows
« on: October 28, 2007, 09:22:40 pm »
Hello there, I was just wondering with the bad weather coming up, if any of you guys had any tips on how to stop the water freezing up on the window ??.  Got caught out last year, bloody nightmare.  Any tips would be great to know.  Cheers Simon
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simbo

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 09:25:50 pm »
if its that cold i ain't working or start later
simbo
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Jeff Brimble

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2007, 09:35:21 pm »
If its that cold that the brush freezes, you cannot start......so....clean the upstairs the night before, until it starts freezing and the next morning do the bottom windows trad with a bit of antifreeze in the bucket. Aint perfect but at least you get a bit of revenue.
Crystal balls available- special offer £99,  ;)
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clevs

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 09:40:28 pm »
Just to update my post, I only use Trad methods, so was wondering was there anything on the market to buy, to add to the water along with my glimmer clean.  Thanks for the advice so far guys....!
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G O A

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2007, 09:47:28 pm »
 :P hot water  :P
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mike richardson

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 09:56:45 pm »
ye get urself some screen wash, use neat if really cold
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clevs

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2007, 09:58:55 pm »
Cheers Mike !  Will try that.......
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G O A

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2007, 10:01:46 pm »
sounds like best bet ;)
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Paul Coleman

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2007, 10:47:24 pm »
Quote from: clevs on October 28, 2007, 09:58:55 pm
Cheers Mike !  Will try that.......

Yeah like Mike said use screenwash.  That's what I did when trad.  Never needed to use it neat though.
N.B.  I'm told that antifreeze can damage car paintwork so presumably screenwash differs in some way. Therefore I didn't use antifreeze in case it damaged anything (probably unlikely but just in case).
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Kwackers

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 12:23:24 am »
Quote from: G O A on October 28, 2007, 09:47:28 pm
:P hot water  :P

If its cold enough to freeze water, before it will dry it will freeze and spot, surely?
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Pj

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 08:19:31 am »
Quote from: clevs on October 28, 2007, 09:40:28 pm
Just to update my post, I only use Trad methods, so was wondering was there anything on the market to buy, to add to the water along with my glimmer clean.  Thanks for the advice so far guys....!

Alcohol.  Chuck a bit in your bucket.  Thats what they use in Canada.  Of course, then you have to use gloves as it will take your skin off with prolonged use, then there's the ladder problem too, you need to de-ice the ground for the feet.

Alternatively do what most w/c do when it gets that cold....GO HOME.
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Londoner

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 09:47:12 am »
Go to Florida, don't come back till weather improves.

If its that cold I  don't work. Problem solved. Mind you we don't get many days that cold.
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Helen

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 12:06:58 pm »
Vince, thankfully you are right we don't have many days that this will happen...or hopefully not....WFP or Trad, if the temperature is cold enough to freeze water then you have to seriously consider should you be working at the time! Wait for a while and then start, H & S is a big issue here, someone has already mentioned ladders, would you want to be balancing them on icy conditions and wfp as your water hits the ground it freezes! not good for either yours or customers safety. Work sensibly work safe!
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Londoner

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 07:05:35 pm »
Before I found this forum several years ago I used to look at a lot of American sites where temperatures are way below freezing for months. How would we cope with that?
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rugby

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2007, 07:10:13 pm »
Quote from: Helen on October 29, 2007, 12:06:58 pm
Vince, thankfully you are right we don't have many days that this will happen...or hopefully not....WFP or Trad, if the temperature is cold enough to freeze water then you have to seriously consider should you be working at the time! Wait for a while and then start, H & S is a big issue here, someone has already mentioned ladders, would you want to be balancing them on icy conditions and wfp as your water hits the ground it freezes! not good for either yours or customers safety. Work sensibly work safe!

compleatly agree,if its that cold i forget it and go home,last thing you want is a member of the public putting a big claim against you or hse on your back
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Wayne Thomas

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2007, 08:19:27 pm »
If water is freezing on the glass then it's probably freezing on the ground too so why would you want to be up a ladder cleaning windows considering the safety aspects :) Freezing on the glass is time for a day off or clean low level bungalows traditionally.
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clevs

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 08:56:53 pm »
I had this prob last year in Edenbridge, put water on windows, and it just frosted up !!,  but the ground was ok to use ladders on, maybe I should get more work in London, and leave the outback !!  Gets bloody cold out that way.......  Thanks for all the tips guys, very helpful......
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stevekennedy

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2007, 10:31:56 pm »
Thermopure system high stuff. Salt on the ground after if required. Trad the ground floors.
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Captain Scarlet

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Re: How to stop water freezing on windows New
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 02:47:13 pm »
Sean thats very interesting, its called the Mpemba effect but it relies on certain conditions to be present and the exact reason for its occurance is unknown, people can only speculate. I tested hot and cold water on glass and hot water dries 4x quicker than cold, Luke

ps. I suggest everybody reads this article about the mpemba effect.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24493
Although it is infact sometimes true certain circumstances, you will see from this article that it isnt always true that hot water freezes quicker. To have a definitive answer an experiment would need to be carried out that applies ONLY to a WFP WC circumstances. Different things will effect the mpemba effect:

the cold waters temperature
the hot waters temperature
the windows temperature

Unless the experiment is carried out on many houses ( different internal temperatures affecting glass temperature ) then the test will not be fair as the mpemba effect is by no means reliable. It is unlikely that hot water in excess of 90c would freeze quicker than water that is 5-10c but if the hot water is at 60-80c when it hits the glass there is a  chance it would freeze qucker on a freezing day. Luke
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Paul Coleman

Re: How to stop water freezing on windows
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 02:52:11 pm »
Quote from: Helen on October 29, 2007, 12:06:58 pm
Vince, thankfully you are right we don't have many days that this will happen...or hopefully not....WFP or Trad, if the temperature is cold enough to freeze water then you have to seriously consider should you be working at the time! Wait for a while and then start, H & S is a big issue here, someone has already mentioned ladders, would you want to be balancing them on icy conditions and wfp as your water hits the ground it freezes! not good for either yours or customers safety. Work sensibly work safe!

Another issue I found on the colder days was mud freezing up on the rungs.  It can be lethal.
Be careful out there !!
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