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NBwcs

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wfp & frost damage
« on: October 21, 2007, 08:48:45 pm »
I changed over to wfp about 6 months ago so am now looking at my first winter using the pole. Someone has already asked me about potential damage to brickwork left wet when its freezing,which seems quite a reasonable concern.Anyone got any thoughts on the matter,with particular reference to reassuring customers fears if indeed im justified in reassuring them. Cheers 

NWH

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 08:52:30 pm »
Do they give it a second thought when it rains,i think not.

LWC

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 08:59:14 pm »
if its cold enough to freeze on brickwork mate then its too i doubt your system would work unless it was a hot system!

last year i went to one house and it didnt work, went home, got defrosted and then went back, wet the windows and a big sheet of ice...was time to go home lol

brightnclean

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 09:03:27 pm »
You wont work when it's freezing like has been said.

I have to laugh at some of the stupid questions customers ask. Will water hurt my walls when it freezes?   ;D

Sorry Nick this isnt having a laugh at you. I am just amazed sometimes   ::)

mike richardson

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 09:15:17 pm »
you can all work when its freezing just get the ladders & sqeege back out use screen wash

after 9am back to wfp if its stoped freezing


Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 09:21:56 pm »
I changed over to wfp about 6 months ago so am now looking at my first winter using the pole. Someone has already asked me about potential damage to brickwork left wet when its freezing,which seems quite a reasonable concern.Anyone got any thoughts on the matter,with particular reference to reassuring customers fears if indeed im justified in reassuring them. Cheers 
I would just say to them, think if the water we use just like the rain the only difference is ours is 100% pure, so if you think about it rain will do more damage

Captain Scarlet

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 09:23:26 pm »
the rain falls pure here so...........
Ffenest ( est 2007 ) is a fully insured premium quality window cleaning service based at Llandderfel near Bala. All our work is guaranteed, rain or shine, year round.

Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 09:25:50 pm »
It's amazing how custys thing Wfp can cause so much damage but rain, storms,
frost, ice & winds etc are fine.  ::)

M & C Window Cleaning

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 09:26:00 pm »
I stand to be corrected, but I'm reasonably sure that frost dammage only occurs on newly built brick walls, or if the wall is exposed to severe frost whilst it is being built. Once completed and dried out it shouldn't be an issue, otherwise as a previous member has noted, what happens when it rains?

Google it! See what it turns up.

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It's amazing how custys thing Wfp can cause so much damage but rain, storms,
frost, ice & winds etc are fine.


I had one the other day blamed it for jamming her UPVC front door shut. Funny thing was I hadn't used it on the front door and the falling water had gone nowhere near it. Even when I pointed this out she was still blaming it for jamming the door till her husband pointed out that it was imposible.  'Now't so strange as folk' they say. It's certainly true in this game!

Paul Coleman

Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 09:31:19 pm »
I stand to be corrected, but I'm reasonably sure that frost dammage only occurs on newly built brick walls, or if the wall is exposed to severe frost whilst it is being built. Once completed and dried out it shouldn't be an issue, otherwise as a previous member has noted, what happens when it rains?

Google it! See what it turns up.

That's how I understand it too.  I'm hardly an expert but am the son of a bricklayer.  Even on newly built walls, so long as you use dry bricks that have been kept covered and cover the work up well when you have finished, you should still get away with it.  I think these days there are things you can add to the pug to help prevent the joints becoming frost blown.

jeff1

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 10:03:49 pm »
Any builders on here should know this?

If its old brickwork and water is able to seep behind the face of the brick, then when it freezes it will blow the face of the brick off, and thats a fact.

Shiner ask your Dad if this is correct.

Captain Scarlet

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 10:06:44 pm »
Its very minimal, 2lts on the wall 1-2 times a year when its frozen, this post is silly! Luke
Ffenest ( est 2007 ) is a fully insured premium quality window cleaning service based at Llandderfel near Bala. All our work is guaranteed, rain or shine, year round.

Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 10:07:44 pm »
the rain falls pure here so...........
Take it your not in london then Luke  ;)

Paul Coleman

Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2007, 10:09:46 pm »
Any builders on here should know this?

If its old brickwork and water is able to seep behind the face of the brick, then when it freezes it will blow the face of the brick off, and thats a fact.

Shiner ask your Dad if this is correct.

Bit tricky that one.  I haven't seen him in over two years.

When you say "old brickwork", are you referring to brickwork with lime mortar as I believe that can be a lot more porous than brickwork done in the last 80 years or so.

matt

Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2007, 10:29:42 pm »
Any builders on here should know this?

If its old brickwork and water is able to seep behind the face of the brick, then when it freezes it will blow the face of the brick off, and thats a fact.

Shiner ask your Dad if this is correct.

very true Jeff

BUT, in theory

the odds on that happening are very slim

jeff1

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Re: wfp & frost damage
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 10:31:03 pm »
Any builders on here should know this?

If its old brickwork and water is able to seep behind the face of the brick, then when it freezes it will blow the face of the brick off, and thats a fact.

Shiner ask your Dad if this is correct.

Bit tricky that one.  I haven't seen him in over two years.

When you say "old brickwork", are you referring to brickwork with lime mortar as I believe that can be a lot more porous than brickwork done in the last 80 years or so.
Old lime brickwork can certainly be a problem with water ingress, but what I'm refering to is old'ish and damaged brickwork, if the face of the brick shows any sign of damage then this can be a problem in freezing weather.
If anyone does a house and sees there are damaged face bricks, then damage to the face is often caused by the above.

When you drive past building sites in the winter, you can often see the brickwork covered in hessian cloth, this isn't there to stop it getting wet? but to keep the frost off the morter, new modern bricks are not as porous as they used to be, but they still have to be covered with waterproof material whilst waiting to be laid,  if the morter is left uncovered then the water still in the morter can freeze and cause damaged.

Any builders on here should know this?

If its old brickwork and water is able to seep behind the face of the brick, then when it freezes it will blow the face of the brick off, and thats a fact.

Shiner ask your Dad if this is correct.

very true Jeff

BUT, in theory

the odds on that happening are very slim
Your right the chances are very slim.