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stevegunn

Postal strike
« on: October 06, 2007, 07:25:09 am »
How is the postal strike going to effect you?

Personally waiting for a few cheques which are due this week.
Christmas marketing plans delayed.

 >:(

Joe H

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2007, 07:33:48 am »
Some customers will take the opportunity to pay late - others are sticking cheques thro the door. 2 yesterday. These are my regular house cleaning customers. Carpet cleaning cutomers ususally pay on the day - unless a business.

Ben Staerck

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 12:13:39 pm »
I lose radiculous amounts of money each time the post is delayed.

The royal mail are bad enough as it is, they cannot do their job properly. They lose about 5 of our deliveries a week. They deserve a pay cut, not rise! greedy gets


PaulKing

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 08:21:13 pm »
I'm behind the posties all the way. notice management cut a deal last night ?????
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davep

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2007, 08:54:22 am »
The Posties have been offered around a £10 per week pay rise, and a £15-£25 pay cut at the same time (Loss of payment for door to door leaflets) as well as Royal Mail wanting to give them 24 hrs notice on the finishing times..

Stick by them  ;D

Neil Grainger

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2007, 10:42:19 am »
Not really the Case, This strike is all about changing the working hours, they are supposed to work untill 2pm everyday, but most delivery posties finish at 10.30-11. Hardly wrong of the business to expect them to work their hours is it.

Royal mail want them to do a days work and be at work until they have done their hours. Also Royal mail are trying to change is the pensions to a more modern system that does not cost the Business as much money. Final Salary Pensions are a thing of the past and because they are in the private sector they need to bring things like this upto date.

If Royal mail dont change the staff will all lose their jobs when the business goes bust.

stains-away

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2007, 11:15:44 am »
Royal mail constantly do a bad job of delivering the post, our postman delivers one side of the road one day then the other the next, that's if he even bothers to come into the village in the first place.

Another favourite is to drop mail for 2 addresses through one letterbox, leaving the residents to distribute the post for him, but he's better than the last one who used to deliver twice a week, preferring to post the mail back through the letterbox at the top of the road.

What other business gets away with such blind incompetence on a national daily basis?

I send out around 100-150 parcels a week mail order, stuff that all used to go via the post office, of which they used to manage to lose between 4 and 5% a week on average, it now all goes out via courier, the run a collection which gets here at 4pm on the dot every day, they deliver the next day, they haven't lost a parcel in the 5 months they have been doing it for me, oh, and their cheaper as well.

So, basically the Royal Mail should try to protect what they have (or indeed haven't) got before small regional companies get in on that act as well, rather than spending money on failed name changes they should look at cutting their costs to allow them to deliver the service within budget to a decent standard, as for the workers, if they don't like the terms and conditions they are employed under they can vote with their feet, there's a big world out there with other jobs going in it, all they have to do is apply for them.

Finally the unions who organise the strike action should along with royal mail be made accountable for compensating businesses who lose money through their actions, perhaps this would make them think twice before pulling their members out on strike.

spindle

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2007, 01:21:40 pm »
my dad works for post office..........

he is not striking..............he said unions are being greedy...........they was offered a pay rise of 3.5%.which was rejected........without asking its members

they gave pay rise automatically but because of unions it was taken away..

i will say that dad has worked for 20yrs at p/o..........he has an older contract which has better pension/t+c/etc......they are trying to get him out as well as other longterm employees due to cost cutting measures....
the older staff have better contracts so therfore more expensive to employ


my mail delivery is ok .we get letter 10.30 -11am most days
life is one big learning experience!!!!!!!

stevegunn

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2007, 02:07:23 pm »
Considering nurses were given 1.5% I don't think they will get much sympathy with the general public >:(

Andy Hogarth

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2007, 05:16:56 pm »
Neil, thats crap, no posties are due to finish at 2pm that doesn't come in till next week.
I work there now and I'm due off at 1pm I usually get finished around 12 but seeing as I don't take my hour break that evens it out!!!!

We continusly get more and more work as they take out rounds in 'cost cutting' exercises and our rounds get bigger and less easier to offer high standards of service, then we have to sit back and watch managers take 2-4 grand bonuses for doing nowt just so the end of year figures go against the striking posties!!

Andy, ur postie sounds like a lazy tosser, report him, he's probably a cover worker who doesn't know the round as no new 'part timers' get proper training (Brought in on 20 hour contracts but work 40. they want us all on these, we'll work 40 but only get paid 20 when on hols) Another reason for striking.

I also agree with spindles dad though, the union seem desperate now and it's do or die, the old guys are been pushed out, 3 at our place have been sacked or pushed out for the crappest reasons!!!

I'm lucky really as I've built up quite a bit of c/c work and the strikes mean I don't have to rush I disagree of getting from work to jobs, It's a means to an end for me and after xmas I'll probably leave but I have some good mates there who have been there too long to just quit. It really is a hard job lads, mentally and physically and for a flat week we currently clear £253

No postie is been greedy, we'd have taken a 2.5% pay rise when offered if it was a rise but the cons are we loose too much to not to strike, it's not about the money it's about the jobs or lack of.

Andy
Www.2venturegroup.com

PaulKing

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 05:26:46 pm »
always though being a postie was a great job in summer but not so hot in winter. I always know my posties name and  have a lot of respect for pople doing the job, but can see it being another one of our great british instituions thats going to get kicked to the side of the road by the corperate suits.


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stevegunn

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 05:29:53 pm »
They need to modernise to compete in a market that has been opened to competition.

The company cannot afford to keep workers on the deal they are on now. Posties will not lose their whole pension fund, and they still will be able to draw a decent retirement income at 65 based on career average earnings rather than a final salary income.

It is happening in various other industries across the UK, so it's not just posties who are a special case.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2007, 05:46:24 pm »
The main problem is keeping consistant staff, because they have to do early mornings with low pay the benefit is that they get away early if they have finished early a bit like job and done.

Ever since Adam Crozier (the idiot who ran the FA when Sven was well erm you know what and other things) has been running it he has stream lined the service to the bone but the service has not met all of its targets although he is getting his bonuses.

The real question is "would you want to be a postal worker?"

I appreciate they have got a choice but I do think that they are now being exploited, I would rather them get a decent deal and get highly motovated so they can do the job correctly.

Shaun

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2007, 09:59:11 pm »
Never mind all the politics, whilst the post office in general losses so much mail (I'm sick of phoning up to complain of another lost cheque even though we pre print envelopes with post codes on), whilst individual posties can't put the right envelope through the right door (how difficult can that really be?), whilst the same route must be followed day in day out yet one day the mail will be here 8 am another day 1 pm,does anyone working at the Royal Mail really expect any sympathy.

If there was any like for like competition out there I'd use them instead of RM

Andy Hogarth

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2007, 10:38:28 pm »
Yes Neil, but what you have to understand is that if we got to go in and do the same round every day, had the same guys covering the round when posties are off, guys who are trained on that certain round then most mistakes would never happen.
If posties don't stand up for themselves and strike now then service WILL decline and they'll all be out of work. It sounds crazy but it's true. Royal mail do not want posties to have regular rounds but to be 'flexible'
All posties want is to go in,sort there mail, do a round they know and go home.
I've been there 3 years and have never had my own round, I cover peoples day off, I'm lucky... only 5 rounds to get to know, some lads have to cover maybe a hundred different rounds!!! These guys are known as floaters, like turds ;D
The reason mail will be early one day and not the next is because a regular postie has the day off and all your mail is left untill a manager can find someone to half assed throw it in the frame and get someone to take it out (usually a part time polish worker in our case) this is what rm call 'flexible'

I'm not wanting to argue, I can see it from both sides, I too have cheques in the post but I can honestly say that posties who want a future at the r/m are just finally fed up with 'changes' resulting in more and more crap and job cuts for less money

Andy
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Neil Grainger

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2007, 11:06:31 pm »
Andy

You obviously know alot about it so I wll ask you this. How many Postie's have secound jobs because I know a few and they all have secound jobs. They have told me that their main problem is that they have got so used to finishing at 11.30 so they can go and do their other job. Now RM are changing their contracts to make them work until 2pm and do a days work.

If your paid to be their do the work, its crazy to think these days that I have done my round so its time to go home. RM is a 24 hr operation so the staff have got to move with the times. If you want to work like that become a Carpet Cleaner

They really need to step back and see whether they want to work their because if RM dont change it, they will all be out of a job and DHL will be delivering the mail and thats a real danger.

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2007, 08:00:30 pm »
So get this, it happened yesterday.
Saw a postie delivering to the house I was at so I said "Is the strike over?" Hesaid, "No it's just I can't afford to be off for 4 days."
He said a few other things about fat cats and managers etc but the point is I have had very payments made therefore very little money to be paid into the bank. Somewhere out there is a single cheque for over £1,000 which would help quite a lot to pay staff etc. Shame the posties doing this area couldn't be bothered to get out there and start earning again. So help him tomorrow if he short cuts across my garden to get to the next door house.

newbroom

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 10:58:58 am »
I had the same postwoman for the last 7 years and still my post arriving is erratic at best, can't say she doesn't know the round. I don't have much sympathy for this strike they are trying to protect outdated working practices. If they persist with strike action they will continue to lose commercial business to companies like UK Mail.

venom

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Re: Postal strike
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 08:32:35 pm »
I had the same postwoman for the last 7 years and still my post arriving is erratic at best, can't say she doesn't know the round. I don't have much sympathy for this strike they are trying to protect outdated working practices. If they persist with strike action they will continue to lose commercial business to companies like UK Mail.

the thing is your postie is also delivering uk mail   tnt    dutch post etc anyway so getting lots more to do and being told that mail volumes are falling the reason some finish early is taht they start an hour early and dont take a break support the strike or your post will be later still if it ever arrives

stevegunn

Re: Postal strike
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2007, 05:08:14 pm »