[cat9921]

HI All
 
I am going to describe some windows that are giving me problems they are as follows
 
Windows that the water goes into and the customers in sides are left wet ?
 
windows that dry but after an hour a painty substance runs from the seals and stains the glass?
 
windows that the water runs in the frame and again after about an hour later it finally runs out Spotting ( mostly in the middle of the window ) ?
 
and windows with OXIDIZED rubbers that are leaving spotting ?
 
What do all the above have in common. If you rinse and rinse and rinse it makes no difference. But there is hope at the end of the tunnel
 
I think I have found the answer to the windows mentioned above, I am still trying it out and will let you know, But instead of coming back and telling you and sounding out like a muppet just would like to know if you have answers to these problem frames
 
your thoughts Please 

[Village Gleam]

I agree with everything you say and have had compaints.

My remedy has been to pre detail oxidised rubber (wipe them before hand), again wipe wooden frames rather than brush them when I think they will dirty the brush or make the water run chalky.

And then when I finish and go round toweling the sills take a blade and a microfibre cloth , wiping at the top, and blading anything that looks like a run.

I have also found that the customers are very fussy on the first one or two cleans, inspecting with a magnifying glass, cleaning the insides at the same time, and attaching instant blame when sunlight catches dirty insides. After they get to trust you they seem more reasonable, and if you make a mistake they might mention it, but only in passing.

[cat9921]

Thanks VG Window Cleaners for the reply.

[Paul Golding]

sometimes I will scrub the frames first. I will do a good 20 minute section if there are that many windows. Then I go back and scrub and quickly rinse the same section. Then I go back again and do a quick rinse with the brush on the window but not touching any of the top frame. by now most of the water on the frame would have dried and any drips will already be down the window ready to come off on this rinse.

By having the brush on the window you can generally stop the last rinse splashing onto the top frame and coming down after you leave. It's a longer process but an investment really as they generally come up fine the next time just by scrubbing and rinsing.

[john tomkins]

HI All
 
I am going to describe some windows that are giving me problems they are as follows
 
Windows that the water goes into and the customers in sides are left wet ?
 
windows that dry but after an hour a painty substance runs from the seals and stains the glass?
 
windows that the water runs in the frame and again after about an hour later it finally runs out Spotting ( mostly in the middle of the window ) ?
 
and windows with OXIDIZED rubbers that are leaving spotting ?
 
What do all the above have in common. If you rinse and rinse and rinse it makes no difference. But there is hope at the end of the tunnel
 
I think I have found the answer to the windows mentioned above, I am still trying it out and will let you know, But instead of coming back and telling you and sounding out like a muppet just would like to know if you have answers to these problem frames
 
your thoughts Please 

My thoughts are....
1) Yes the windows you describe are a problem.
2) You think you've found a solution, but you're still trying it out so ain't gonna tell us coz you might sound like a muppet, but in the meantime you want people to give you answers to how to solve these problems

You've lost me there mate

[cat9921]

OK
 
Like I said this is not fool proof but it has helped me on some windows and of course I will share it with you all...
 
Get a Ladder out ( Just kidding )
 
You will know if you have these windows after the first clean IE windows that leak in or paint from rubber running down the glass..
 
So this can only be done after first cleans... Its all about reading marks on the glass or seeing that water goes in...
 
THE METHOD
 
WINDOWS THAT LEAK INTO THE HOUSE
 
This seems to happen on the little  panes above an other window, by now you should know which ones they are..
So first hold the brush for the little panes and just a quick spray, then turn off the water ( you are going to need to be able to control your water when you need it )
then brush the window with no water on, then turn your brush facing a wall and turn your water back on but this time get the flow down to as little as possible then rinse the window.. The rest of the windows you do as Norm   
 
Windows that the water holds in the frames and then runs out ?
 
Again this seems to happen on little windows above the main window so repeat above advice, but if you have 2 little windows above the main window when you clean then on the first little window try not to take your brush across to the other little window with the water on . It can run in between and bring more dirt down.   
 
Windows that stain the glass with some kind of paint, substance run from the rubber seals.
 
Take your brush 3/4 of the way up the window and turn your water on, brush down the window wetting most of the glass, then turn you water off then brush from  the top of the window all over as if you had your water on. then again you want as little flow as possible, rinse from the top down as you get further away from the top of the frame you can turn your flow up   
 
WINDOWS With OXIDIZED rubber seals
 
This is the one that Iam not too sure about ? I have this customer who has this window on her house, its the  only window and I really do not want to get the ladders off for one window..
 
The Window has 3 panes of glass, one main one. a little window above another.
What I do is exactly the same with this as I do with the paint running out of the glass. First the main window, wet the glass only 3/4 of the way up the window, turn off the water then brush the whole of the glass and then get a little flow and rinse as you go down, you can turn the flow up.  The little panes above the other, give it just a quick brush,  your brush should still be wet, then rinse again with as little flow as possible. Then the last window do the same as the main window!
 
This window has always given me problems, I went to check it before I posted this! The main window SPOT FREE and the little window above the last window SPOT FREE but the one underneath that one spots. What I think is, as I have rinsed it, it has dripped onto the rubber.  So what I am going to do next time is do the main window and the other one above last and then go back.....
 
As you can see my method is to brush the window with as little water as possible.  It's still doing the same, the little water on the window is moved around to pick up dirt then a rinse..........
 
I will keep you all informed as to my progress and hope this helps on your windows as well.

Thanks

[NWH]

No offense,waste of time.

[cat9921]

No offense,waste of time.

No Offense taken, Like I said if it helps ?

Thanks

[Pole2pole]

I'd sooner just get a b*llockin than try to learn all that. It's hard enough as it is lol. Or just drop the punter. Like i've said before in previous post. This job is as hard or as easy as ya want it to be  I believe some windows just aint meant to be WFP'd. No matter how hard ya try. Once again, no offense Cat 

[macmac]

sometimes (if you're sensible enough, no offense) you have to make a choice with some jobs. spend a life-time trying & trying with wfp (to prove what, to who?) or get the ladders out & trad it in a lot less time. Or, as some would say (not me) drop the jobs that don't suit wfp!
Listen to (inexperienced?) wfp'ers tell you to rinse, rinse, rinse!!
rinse all you like, if the windows not clean after scrubbing, rinsing won't clean it!
View rinsing as say, a final polish, just to flush any remaining light bits from the glass.

tony

[Feen]

Cat, reading that is almost enough to put me off wfp As others have said, drop them or trad them. BTW I'm looking forward to work tomorrow - wfp

[cat9921]

HI feen

All the best for tomorrow  sorry for putting you off

macmac
Thanks for the advice.

As for the rest of the post I think I need to clean somethink up. I have not tried to think of how I could clean these windows. This method that I have shown is what I have been doing for the last week and with good sucess..

the only one that I have a problem with is the OXIDIZED rubbers . all the rest have come up good. So I dont think its a complete waste of time, but like all have said its early days I still would like to try it on more windows and if you think getting a ladder out is the only way then that's fine too, But if there is a way of using the WFP think of the times when your half way down the street on a round and you have to come back for the ladder, ?

All the best anyway Cat

[NWH]

As said the scrubbing should do the job,thr rinsing is to clear of all the bits of lose paint etc just because you rinse rinse rinse it won`t make much or any difference on some window`s.If on the first clean you`ve given them in effect 2-3 cleans by cleaning frames etc and they don`t come good you have to make the choice then,even after a good first clean they should still come up good.

[Captain Scarlet]

just use common sense and you'll be fine. Just come back later to stuborn windows and do the glass only and be carefull where you put the brush! Luke

[Pure H20 Cleaning Services]

just use common sense and you'll be fine. Just come back later to stuborn windows and do the glass only and be carefull where you put the brush! Luke

Reading half of these replys after cat 9921 has tried to be helpful i think i know where the brush should be put

[windowwashers]

just use common sense and you'll be fine. Just come back later to stuborn windows and do the glass only and be carefull where you put the brush! Luke

Reading half of these replys after cat 9921 has tried to be helpful i think i know where the brush should be put

and i THINK IT IS THE GLASS? WILL FIND OUT MYSELF SOON  

[Captain Scarlet]

I said that because if you touch a frame that is causing spotting or streaks, it is important you dont touch the top part with your brush otherwise it will leeche onto the glass. I had it a few times with bad paint / undercoat / bare aluminium, Luke

[geefree]

i see the spotting on some of mine, i work hard to make sure they are clean, ... its the bits  left that bother me after a good rinse, and no matter how many times i rinse i can see an odd bit of dirtleft on the glass or something maybe from my brush (vikan) left on the glass.....

anyway, regarding the spotting, as i said i wash well, rinse well, and i have stopped worrying how it will turn out , as they will certainly complain if its bad, and they dont , so i dont worry.

Gary

[RO-Sheen]

Reading half of these replys after cat 9921 has tried to be helpful i think i know where the brush should be put

Exactly my thoughts! I think some of the people on this site or unneccessary rude when someone shares their experiences and problems.

[hoteth]

Put some distilled barley malt vinegar in your di water, about 1 cap full of a 568ml bottle  for every 25ltr of water .dont let the tds rise above 15ppm. Bite the bullet clean window and frames from top to bottom. water alone willl not remove grease,traffic film. Dont use wfp on windows were water gets into house. Kitchen windows and vents contaminate your bristle with grease .When storing wfp put plastic carrier bag over brush. CAUTION VINEGAR MAY CONTAIN NUTS.

      Grease is the word