[Daveyboy]

What is a good/cheep carpet/upholstery stain protector, and how does one apply it?
Thanks.
Davey Jones

[lands]

Davey

You'll get lots of different opinions on this. Some guards are applied via the rinsing with the machine and others applied on their own. Personally I apply mine myself. Use Fluroseal plus (prochem). Its about £30 for 5 litres, is ready to use and covers 50m2.

I have two young girls and can tell you that this gear really does work.

You apply after cleaning a carpet (ie while it is still damp). If you are not cleaning a carpet first you need to condition the carpet first by spraying a woolsafe solution down fibre & Fabric rrinse or similar. When applied the guard you use a pile brush to brush in guard to ensure even smooth covering. You really to need to tell custy to stay off while it dries.

Pete

[Daveyboy]

Thanks for the reply, Pete.
Do I need a special applicator/sprayer to do this?
Cheers.

[lands]

You need a pump action fan sprayer. If you are not cleaning before, you also need to fan spray the pre-conditioner too (very imp) or it will just be a sticky mess and will not soak onto fabric properly.

[bennymon]

i also use fluroseal plus    do you know of any that go in the tank with the soulutions and if so do they work

[matt jones]

Is it important that you do not walk over ares that you have already done? ie work backwards towards the door. Been interested in adding protector as a sell on but still havent found one which ticks all the right boxes.
matt

[lands]

I don't but I know Fresh Clean uses that method so he might be able to shed some light. It would be interesting to see how they compare because obviously the rinse tank method is no work at all. Personally I can't see that method being as effective but I should'nt really comment because I don't know and he knows more than I do generally.

Pete

[Ken Wainwright]

I'm not aware of any protector that is applied via the rinse solution.

Could there be confusion about adding an acid rinse as the pre-conditioner for a protector via the rinse tank?

Apart from systems like Dry Fusion, I think that all on-site applications of protector are done as a spray application (whether new or just cleaned carpet).

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[Andy Foster]

Am I right in thnking the the CFR Shutout ASIST is an in tank protector... never used it but seem to recall that it has some protecting qualities.

Andy

[davep]

What percentage of the clean cost would you charge for protector guys?

[lands]

50%

[Matt Read]

Pro mite is good,plus you can sell it as a dust mite repellant too,maufacturers say upto 14 months protection against dust mites.

[markpowell]

I use fluroseal too i am not aware of any that are applied via the solution tank.
I charge half the amount of the clean to add protector.
Mark

[Mike Roper]

You cant apply protector via your rinse tank !!
A carpet needs to be free of any chem residue before application , then follow the instructions off your chosen product.
Mike

[lands]

Thats not strictly true Mike. If you are applying a guard to a carpet not being cleaned then it needs to be conditioned first. I use Fibre & Fabric rinse which is woolsafe but of course leaves a chemical residue and besides there is no way that rinse/extracting removes all residues anyway.

I can't comment on guard in rinse tank other then what I have been told by other CCs. I would'nt do it that way but hey thats just me.

Pete

[Shaun_Ashmore]

It's teh high ph that kills the florocabons in the protector most should be applied after the item has a ph value of under neutral I believe it is ph6.

I have never known of a protector that goes in the solution tank but if there were it would be a great idea as it would coat the fibres better.

Silicone protectors like Guardsman can be applied to carpets that have been cleaned with a high ph cleaner but these products stink the house out and can make you feel sick if inhaled.

IMO the cheapest on the market and also will be one of the better ones is from Hydramaster but I can't remember what they call it, I am still using 3M scotcgard bought from Spurgeons in W. Sussex.

Shaun

[Mike Roper]

Sorry Pete , I mean cleaning residue needs to be rinsed either with water or acid rinse as you say depending on the protector you choose. ie you dont just clean the carpet with formular 90 , double clean or whatever then spray on your protector.
I personally prefer Solugard from Solutions or as Shaun mentioned Repel & Protect from Hydramaster.
Mike

[lands]

Mike,Shaun

So if you are rinsing with water (ie pre-treating with M/S) and you live in a hard water area what guard should I use because I'm sure the PH level of the carpet won't be left at 6 or under. I'm sure that Fluroseal has florocarbons in it (don't they all)?

Pete

[matt jones]

Guys i would be grateful if someone could explain what i am missing here!

Alot of you guys on this forum say you charge 50% of the cleaning price but say you use solugaurd or similiar it works out at about 12p a sqft for carpet and even more for upholstery, so for arguments sake say you charged 25p a sqft for cleaning and the customer wanted protector aswell, 50% of that would be 12.5p when the protector is costing you 12p sqft to buy so your making half a penny per sqft is it viable?
Now some of you might say well i charge by room price fair enough so do i, but you must know ruffly what that equates to per sqft/sqmt especially when you are dealing with protectors.
And i would like to add that many on here charge far less then that how they must make a loss applying protectors.
regards
matt

[lands]

Mat

Say you do a flat that is 50m2 in total. lounge 20m2 and two bedrooms totalling 24m2 and a hallway about 6m2. you would charge £125 for clean based on your figures. bottle of fluroseal costs £30 max and covers this whole area. You charge 50% of clean which equals £62.50. Profit of £32.50.

You earn much more guarding upholstery as you use alot less.

Pete