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nick p

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eclipse quad
« on: August 22, 2007, 12:22:01 pm »
hi

is any one using the eclipse quad the one with 4 vacs and 500psi and what do you think to it does it trip fuses and whats its performance like and where can you get it in the uk looking to upgrade from my advantage

cheers nick

Ed Valentine

  • Posts: 183
Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 02:05:53 pm »
Nick;

Contact Nick at SOLUTIONS, UK. (nick@solutions-uk.com) in Cornwall. He may have exactly what you are looking for.


The very best;
Ed Valentine

ianharper

Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 07:10:40 am »
Nick

don't waste your money, i had one. the Scorpion looks good from nick.

BTW it only has three vacs. but your can hock up a booster to take it to four.

I use a Ninja with 400 psi now great value for money. think about you method and profit first before you buy. the more money you spend will not mean that you get value for money, that's the key. all these guys with loan payments have to earn that first each week before they get into profit.

you don't need a hammer to creak a nut.

respectfully

Ian Harper




Mike Halliday

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 04:26:19 pm »
Ian you have owned a Eclipse Quad? where did you buy it from?

Nick I don't believe anyone in the UK has the machine you mention so no one can give a valid opinion.

I think the most that are available are 3 vac machines eg; the Scorpion, I think Ashbys offer a 3 vac Ninja and another one is available but I've forgotten its name :-\

Mike

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

nick p

  • Posts: 345
Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 07:07:55 pm »
hi

thanks for replys i cant seem to find it in uk only usa on this site http://www.cleancraft.com/Eclipse_Portable_Extractor_p/eclipse.htm

cheers nick

ianharper

Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2007, 07:42:59 pm »
sorry Mike

did not know that you could get a quad version. mine as i said in my post had 3 and i run a booster somthimes to make 4 for long hose runs.

respectfully

Ian harper

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2007, 08:55:01 pm »
I have a loan on my TM and it more than pays for itself in the extra work I do as it is more productive than any portable.

The trick is to have enough work, even if you use a vax if you have no work you have no money.

Shaun

ianharper

Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2007, 09:22:50 am »
Shaun

With total respect.

your profit and loss will still show a higher overhead.

the end result is the same, clean carpets. but the cost per job will be higher in the TM case on a basic job. for example a low moisture system will get the job done faster with less effort to the operator. this means her quality will be higher for longer.

would you not like to spend those payment on your lifestyle as this is why we work?

anyway you know it not what you use, its the marketing that's the difference.

Shaun, you know I respect you. its just that those payments for someone starting out could be a problem. I not saying don't own a TM just that the workload has as you rightly say pay for it and that MUST come first

Respectfully

Ian Harper

Ed Valentine

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2007, 02:40:10 pm »
Great comment, Ian, and I can say, Very, very True too since I prove that some 36 years ago with great success.

Ed Valentine

*paul_moss

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2007, 08:24:09 pm »
Ed you would say that, in fact you only post when it relates to your products  ::)
Paul Moss  MBICSc
www.mosscleaning.co.uk
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Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2007, 08:29:37 pm »
Ian when I used to use a bonnet system I thought it took longer to get the same results.

I have never covered as much work as I do now and the TM is marketing in itself, you don't even need to say anything the customer says it all for you, all I used to get with the bonnet system (dryfusion) was "oh they use those in schools don't they"

Shaun

 

elliott cleaning

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2007, 08:51:41 pm »
When I use the bonnet system in the normally advised manner, I in no way clean a clients carpet as well as I would using the truckmount.   If I wanted to achieve the same result as the truckmount, it would take me far longer using a bonnet system. I appreciate that some of us might have a particular ax to grind, but lets be realistic about it

ianharper

Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2007, 06:51:57 am »
Guys

 my point was about sq ft and cost when starting out. Your right about results. but one thing that i have learnt using the "woodman method" is that you have three step and depending on the soil level you can stop at at one.

for example if you have a very lightly soiled carpet the normal bonnet with M-Power will do the job. then you can step it up to the TEX system after if the levels are medium. then lastly extraction if high levels.

at any point in the process you can walk away with the job done. its the hammer to creak the nut with TM's. again nothing wrong with that. I just don't think that a customer has any knowledge to tell me a profession what to use on her carpet. and most TM marketing is based around at the "look how big mine is" school. that's great if your comparing to another blokes but women don't think that way. :)

As I have said starting out you need to learn about all the different tools and methods that you have to use. this gives you flexibility when approaching each job. the one method approach is limiting.

It funny how many cleaners look for that one setup or product that they can use for every job. this is lazy as gives the view that they don't want to think about each job as an stand alone.

The produces do have a lot to take responsibility for this one way approach as they sell to us this way. "this product or machine is all you will need to get the very best results" we need to sell ourselves on our professionalism, not out equiment or products.

respectfully

Ian harper






Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2007, 11:46:10 am »
Franchises and big set ups only use 1 way/system, they make sure that all of the franchisees or employees clean in the same way so they get across the board results.

So using a hammer to crack a nut will give the same results what ever, and you know how to time your appontments as mostly 30sq yards of carpet (a) will take the same as carpet (b), and as you know it is a good way to plan and grow your business with universal results in an exact apppointment schedule.

Shaun




Ken Wainwright

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2007, 04:13:20 pm »
I think you'll find that most of the big playing franchises now offer more than one system.  Some Chem Dryers now have TM's.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

elliott cleaning

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2007, 07:04:46 pm »
Ken, you are totally correct.  I have always been an advocate for truckmounting being the best method of cleaning.  Now we are starting to get Harris Research & their side kick Chem-Dry starting to use this system, albeit with soda water. Who ever thought we would see the day!!!

Andy Hogarth

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Www.2venturegroup.com

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11382
Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2007, 10:00:13 am »
http://www.hnchemdry.co.uk/info_cts450.htm

they've been using TM's in some franchises for about 2 years, I believe they are made by Hydramaster but with an extra solution line for the bubbles and they only run at a maximum of 250psi and the spec of a spitfire but very hot - probably that is why they selected HM as  they are renowned for the hottest TM's.

I read a book a few years ago (can't remember what it was called) it was about systemizing your business and in it they wrote about that franchises and successful larger business try to get their employees to clean or mend or whatever they were doing in the same way using the same system as nothing can be left out or left to chance.

Shaun

Ed Valentine

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2007, 02:20:43 pm »
Paul;

No, sir, your comment is definitely not true. Commenting on what Ian has stated was a truthful and proven one because history never lies.

Now, nowhere did I mention "our" products other than to agree with (Ian) him in regards to building a successful business using "portables"----------------a very generic name that would encompass EVERY BRAND in the UK or elsewhere.

I might suggest that you relax and ease back in that easy chair of yours.

respectfully;
Ed Valentine


Dave Roelants

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Re: eclipse quad
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2007, 11:14:54 pm »
Ed we know and respect you for building good portables, what we don't (ever) accept is bullpoop. You are becoming noted for your comments. You don't need to support Nick, he can stand his ground. Don't try to tell me for instance that the sliders I bought in Walmart are different to the one Nick stocks, they're not. Do I mind the price difference?
of course not! He needs to cover his overheads and make a profit, without that he can't offer a service. We know that most TM's will outperform most portables, and so they should given the price differential!Please drop the condescending comments about Sir this and Lord that, it just doesn't wash here, we respect Nick and John for who they are and what the've done for us
Best Regards, Dave,
Lakeland Carpet Cleaning, 1st in the UK with 4 to the door!