[lands]

Just had a girl on the phone who spilt coffee then treated with vanish (it has now dried). She ended up crying when I told her that this was probably permanent.

Said I could have a go at it but I would be charging for something that probably would'nt work. Poxy rubbish gear.

Anyone ever found anything that works for this?

[Fresh Clean]

its always worth a go, i've been amazed at what s & s removals that i've been on & have made vast improvement on the mark or have been able to completely remove it. "its always worth ago" pete! you'll have to tackle the 2 stains seperatly & whats the fibre content? have found that the cfr range s &s kit to be extremely effective plus there zap-it & rid-a-gum, eg; went to look at a very bad stain recently, this chap had been sick on a 80/20 cream carpet, what he had thrown up was burbon "whisky"! then he tried to clean it with an array of under the cuboard cleaners, what a mess, did'nt think i could touch it. used the 5 step cfr method, by the time i got to 4 it had all gone. myself & the custy could not believe it!!!!!!! freshi  "yee of little faith"               

[lands]

Freshi

This is an 80-20 too. What would you use to tackle the bleaching agents in the vanish though?

Pete

[Fresh Clean]

as you well know that it is more or less impossible to remove bleaching from most fibres, especially wool, its very easy to dye, as if you need telling. clean it "s & s"  first to see how the land lies, i think its important to make an impacked on the overal damage, normally any improvement can make all the difference with the custy. freshi    "be positive about it"

[Art]

What's s & s?

[Fresh Clean]

pete, i've just been looking through 1 of me s & s files, under reducing bleaches with covers damage left by varnishs. r/b changes the stains properties by taking the oxygen away, it does not remove the staining substance, r/b are more effective on dye stains, fruit juice, inks, dyes, iodine & da da da dada dada, varnish!!!!!!!!  freshi

[Fresh Clean]

art, s & s. means spot & stain as in spot & stain removal. freshi

[lands]

Cheers Freshi, I did go to tell custy about oxygenisation but did'nt want to get her hopes up. Will look up myself and give her a call back.

Pete

[Fresh Clean]

i'm sure it i'll go well pete, you can only do so much without damaging the custys carpet, & i'm sure she will appricate that. let us know how you get on. freshi

[Fresh Clean]

pete, sorry mate is the stain varnish or vanish? freshi just been rereading the postings, me eyes are playin up!

[lands]

coffee, treated with vanish. The coffee I can handle its reversing the effects of the vanish I'm not sure on.

Pete

[Fresh Clean]

if its vanish, forget everything i just said! rinse it out really well, treat coffee stain with the appropriate remover & then i'd use zap-it or a dry cleaning solvent to get rid of any foaming. the stain that i mentioned earlier in regard to the burbon sick stain, the custy had put vanish on it too! when finished with the s & s removal i used zap-it to get rid of the foaming. "i'm gonna have to get some glasses" freshi

[Fresh Clean]

also with the coffee stain you may have to use an oxidizing bleach to get rid of the tanning, used this sort of process myself on dye stains & have had good results. "why ain't things ever straight forward" freshi

[*paul_moss]

also with the coffee stain you may have to use an oxidizing bleach to get rid of the tanning, used this sort of process myself on dye stains & have had good results. "why ain't things ever straight forward" freshi

Be carefull when using oxidisers for stain removal, too strong or inexperience can lead to trouble.
I prefere to use a reducing agent first on tannin stains,but only after the milder stain removal approahes fail.

Pete
The reason why Vanish has set the tanni stain in is because it has a ver high PH liquid is aroun 12.5 and the foam moose is aound 11, but tannins need an acidic type chemical to remove or stablise them.

[*paul_moss]

Just to add to
the above Vanish is actually a very good cleaning chemical if used correctly.

[lands]

also with the coffee stain you may have to use an oxidizing bleach to get rid of the tanning, used this sort of process myself on dye stains & have had good results. "why ain't things ever straight forward" freshi

Be carefull when using oxidisers for stain removal, too strong or inexperience can lead to trouble.
I prefere to use a reducing agent first on tannin stains,but only after the milder stain removal approahes fail.

Pete
The reason why Vanish has set the tanni stain in is because it has a ver high PH liquid is aroun 12.5 and the foam moose is aound 11, but tannins need an acidic type chemical to remove or stablise them.

Paul

Should I have a go at it? It's not the money, I just want to help her. It,s her mums and feel for her. It got to me bcoz I'd be upset if it was one of my daughters who was that upset.

Pete

[francis]

Paul
The word 'correctly' is the crucial one.
But how can you market a product like this to Joe Public and expect it to be used 'correctly' in the majority of cases.

[*paul_moss]

Paul
The word 'correctly' is the crucial one.
But how can you market a product like this to Joe Public and expect it to be used 'correctly' in the majority of cases.

Fran that is always the issue with selling any volume product to the public, a majoitory will use them inorrectly ( what ever the product is).
Vanish has the usual disclaimer on the back,but I believe there has been many coplaints about the product,so much so that the PH is being lowered to 10 to make it a bit les aggresive.

Pete if you have a go first of all rinse out with plain water, then apply some so of acidic chem such as fabric & fibre rinse or browning prescription etc,let dwell for 10 mins then rinse again .
After that is done dry it of an you will thense the extent of the problem. If it is just chemical residue that was left in the carpet it should now be removed and look ok.
If any colour loss has occured then the lighter area is permanent and can only be chang by recolouring /or retufting .
Always qualify with customer before you proceed.

[Fresh Clean]

it ain't rocket science, clean it pete, never had any prob's removing vanish, oxidizing & reducing bleachs are pretty much safe to use, just follow the appliaction procedures correctly, mate. freshi

[lands]

it ain't rocket science, clean it pete, never had any prob's removing vanish, oxidizing & reducing bleachs are pretty much safe to use, just follow the appliaction procedures correctly, mate. freshi

Feel like we've had this coonversation b4.

Rung Amtech, they are coming back to me re course