[ian loughlin]

I have picked up a job to clean a pub, its a pattened axminster with very bad blacking by the bar.

What would be the best technique to remove this?

Heres some Photos:

[darren72]

Cimex

[ian loughlin]

What is Cimex and where can i get it from? whats the best method to use?

[Len Gribble]

Ian

Blacktop is easy removed dwell time with your preferred pre-spray then hwe.

http://www.cimex-usa.com/ or http://www.truvox.com/

Len

[Ian Rochester]

That's not bad!!!!!


You can still see the pattern!!!!

Craftex Champion or Hydamaster Blitz will cut through it in no time, also very hot water

[carpetguy]

That looks like a typical Belgian Wilton, so avoid overwetting, but, as mentioned, it's not heavily soiled, compared to some!

Advice already given..................just prespray and let it go to work, while you get " set up ". If you don't have the machines to aggitate, you can simply use a fairly stiff, nylon bristle brush.

It should come up like new.

[Joe H]

Yes its bad BUT I have done a lot worse then that!!
and over a very large area.

right or wrong in what I did  - I was brutal!

I soaked in microsplitter, dwell time to soak, then scoured it - criss cross pattern - to try to get through, then with CFR machine at 550psi, then I did HWE.

Please bear in mind your job is not anywhere near as bad so dont be as brutal and consider all advices given.

Still a tough job though and it takes time so consider extra time when costing.

Would be a good lead in to discussing maintenance plan with whoever.

Joe H

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

That looks like a typical Belgian Wilton, so avoid overwetting, but, as mentioned, it's not heavily soiled, compared to some!

Advice already given..................just prespray and let it go to work, while you get " set up ". If you don't have the machines to aggitate, you can simply use a fairly stiff, nylon bristle brush.

It should come up like new.

yep good old hands and kness giveing it large with your brush always works , you could take a fork as well to lightly prod the black befour spraying this will help it soak in as well

[gwrightson]

dont want to sound ignorant here but ...........
Joe, you say soaked with micro-splitter and allowed to dwell!!
I was under the impression that the idea of m/spitters was a misting not a soaking you are gaining nothing by soaking and dwell time does not make any difference.

I,m not saying you did not get the desired result ,just cant comprehend your method

Geoff   H/C 13

[*paul_moss]

A couple of answers to some of the posts above.
First the fibre is wool not polyprop therefore not B/W.

Second you dont soak M/S  in and give them a dwell time as they dont work like conventional chems, M/S work on aggitation and plenty of it/no aggitation no result.

As a few guys have said blacktop can be removed and can take a bit of effort, the pictures above show a build up but its not major.
My prefered method on a pub carpet such as this would be to use an enzyme prespray my favorite and the strongest by far is Chempec Enzall, give it 10 mins to dwell and a little aggitation if nec them extract 

[Joe H]

Ill correct myself.

When I did the really really bad blacktop I was'nt using microsplitter then.
Sorry to mislead - thanks for picking it up.
Certainly the soak helped but I did have to be brutal - so much blacktop - yuk!
 

[Ken Wainwright]

I agree with Paul Moss.  I've cleaned acres of the same carpet. It is a very good quality wool weave. Definately not P/P. If you look at the non blacktop areas, you can visually appreciate the natural resilience of wool over P/P.

However, having said that, I would agree with Carpetguy in that, given the location, and possibly body but maybe broadloom carpet, shrinkage related problems are a serious consideration. As are dye bleed and/or crocking.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[*paul_moss]

Ken quite agree if the seams have not been welded together very well  they open up very nicely and can make you change your underpants 

[lands]

I take it you got your local pub job Ian?

The replies are correct, and I go with the hands and knees opinion. Done it before and they do come out.

Customer will actually be amazed unless he's seen it before because it looks and feels like tar (which is not far off given its composites

See you on the 6th

Pete

[carpetguy]

I'm afraid my eysight and memory are lagging a long way behind ...................as I said it LOOKS very much like a typical b/w to me and still does, but then, I'm not always right, as my kids like to point out, occasionally and emphasises the point, that you really have to be there !

rob

[Chris R]

This one was cleaned by Liverpool Billy using Blitz .( Hydramaster)

Before getting on your knees and scrubbing try just spraying and rinsing ( very hot water). Sometimes it comes out real easy.

Aggitating with a rotary will give best results .

Regards

Chris

PS I have also had excellent results by soaking the area in micro splitters,it worked very well.

[lands]

Chris

You are right but I know (or doubt) that Ian has a rotary so like me will be relying on HWE to do the  job. Have not tried Blitz before. Who does that? Use Chemspec Enzall or Prochem traffic clean for that type of thing. Can anyone who has used all three comment?

Pete

[carpetguy]

Absolutely agree Chris..............my suggestion was for a yard brush, if nothing else was available and I agree with a rotary for aggitation ...............possibly the best result I've seen on here

[Glynn]

That mild blacktop pictured above should be thought of as a rountine job for any competent carpet cleaner.

[carpetguy]

Yes Glynn, we know that, but I think Mr Loughlan is a relative newcomer and in spite of me being a very experienced and competent c/c I'm being told I am wrong in suggesting the carpet looks like a b/w