[gwrightson]

I was just wondering if any of you c/c had given encapsulation a go?
Had my first experience to day , went along to help another local c/c , a school to clean , when we arrived was informed that we would be using encapsulation, for the vast majority of the work and an area with bonnet, just to see the differnce!!! although a little sceptical as to the results I was expecting with encapsulation , I was amazed, astounded with the results what a way forward, no running hoses everywhere, no noisy motoers running, no pre spray, aggition ect. Marvellous.
  bonnet cleaned a small area, no comparison, and after running a bonnet over the area cleaned with encapsulation, hardly any dirt transfer what so ever.
  We cleaned the same areas last year using dry fusion, and again not a patch on the encapsulation, for all you guys using dry fusion , throw it away and give it a go   bonnet men , forget it

I was so impressed I am borrowing the system to clean a large housing trust, wed, thurs, friday .
 any now Ive stopped singing its praises, im on the look out for a suitable machine but just wondered
if any of your guys experiences and opinions

  Geoff. H/C 13

[The Great One]

Hi

Welcome to the land of the dry, Grasshopper...

When others have walked across the ricepaper and have not left a mark, they too can become Dry carpet cleaners

Regards

Martin

[AquaMagic]

Do you need some sort of machine for encap, cimex seems to ring a bell is this right?

Dene

[lands]

Hi

Welcome to the land of the dry, Grasshopper...

When others have walked across the ricepaper and have not left a mark, they too can become Dry carpet cleaners

Regards

Martin

He's off again, do like his style though.

Someone told me about this system and spoke highly as you have. Would like to talk to anyone about it at CCDO (thats assuming a supplier isn't gonna be there doing a demo anyway).

Pete

[gwrightson]

So Martin , you are blatently an ecapsulation fan, is this your only method?
if so how do you cope with greasy surfaces as been greasy itself it requires some sort of surfacant cleaner, I may be wrong , as I am the first to admit a novice when it comes to encapsulation, but I am looking at all the positives and benefits.
what macine do you use> the cimex or another?

geoff

[Art]

Geoff,

 That chemstractor that was demoed at the IICRC course in Nottingham was encapsulation cleaning and if i remember rightly Richard said the carpet had to be vacumed the next day after the shampoo crystalised.
Bit long winded imo or are you talking about someting different?

Arthur

[gwrightson]

Art, I remember it well

and I have to admit the demo looked a little bewildering, went over my head to be honest , but to be fair their was ltd time and alot going on.
How ever having worked all day with the system, and had it explained in detail every thing becomes clear, and it certainly is going to become a weapon in my armoury. especialy on low pro,s
  Have you any thing suitable , Art to try it  , give it a whirl.
  out of interest, after a little research I notice that it can be utilised for the use on upholstery, Has any body any idea what type of tool would be used here? or would it be a simple case of pre spray, and hell of a lot of aggitation!!

Geoff

[carpetguy]

I've been talking about encapsulation for some time on here and the best way to use it, is with O/P machines, which are more agressive than Cimex, although it's a very system.

You don't have to return to vacuum. The residue dries very quickly and is removed with the next routine vacuuming.

This system is very well established in Canada and the U S and is converting users of H W E after they discover the advantages..........Speed................Results.............Low capital cost................No need for a large van..............Fewer chemicals................Virtually no setting up time....................Very low maintenance.

Consider it John........................the chap in Cornwall has started to sell one " quietly at the moment " for obvious reasons.

rob

[carpetguy]

It may surprise you, but you can use the little glove type bonnets on suites, sounds mad, by I've been experimenting and it works, extremely well....................so well, that I had considered importing a suitable machine from the U S to sell over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rob

[carpetguy]

To be absolutely honest I have avoided saying too much on the board, about encap' as it could cause a fair bit of conflict amongst established H/W/E users and suppliers.

Then again, any supplier, could become an encap' supplier !!!!!!!!!!!!!

rob

[darren72]

I seen a demonstration of it and wasnt impressed with it at all if the carpet your cleaning is not to dirty you will get away with it if heavy soiled forget it.

[gwrightson]

How wrong you are Darren,

try a years worth of grime in the main areas of a high school , as for suppliers , cant see why they should knock it, as pointed out nothing wrong with them suppling the needen products.
Whats your thoughts on this john? Knowing you as down to earth , straight talking Northern Lad.

and Darren , Dont think i am knocking hwe Im not, and I know that their will always be die hard h/w/e
fans, understandibly, all I am saying it is imo a great system in its place, and has numerous benifits.

Geoff

[darren72]

 gwrightson ive nothing against this type of cleaning i just didnt fancy it when i tried it.The one thing i would say about it you could clean a hell of a lot of sq yards in an hour with it.

[The Great One]

Greetings.

Darren is correct in that metres per hour covered is high, but wrong in that it does not get out heavy soiling.

There is a myth circulating that dry is only good for maintenence. Geoff (the young apprentice) has now seen with his very own eyes the power of the dry (the force), his eyes have been opened and the (HWE) blinkers removed. No longer will his life be the same, from this very day he is a believer.

Nay, I say unto others, open your eyes, brothers & sisters, for you too can behold the truth, for it is out there. But, it is for you to take that first step on the amazing journey of the dry...

Amen :

Regards

Martin

[Dave_Lee]

I cleaned the worst areas of a large office block last week using the Host system with the Craftex granules, as an experiment as I usually TM the job. The result wasnt as instant as the difference you get with the TM, but started to see it improve as the granules began to dry, and the main thing was the client was happy. The only thing was that even after extensive vacuuming there was still patches of dried, sawdust looking granules arround. This was on contract low profile carpet tiles.
Regarding encapsulation, although things have improved over the years, it is still basically the method I started with over 28 years ago - shampooing, and it is not a dry system, it is a wet system. The immediate, brilliance of the result is mainly down to the foam active ingredient being white. You can get a great looking result without taking an ounce of soil out. The theory is of course that the soil becomes encapsulated in the dried particles left in the carpet, that simply removed by a thorough vacuuming, just like when it was called shapooing. However the net result over time and many, many jobs done, was in my experience that it simply did not work. The nice clean looking carpets very quickly lost their florescence and they rapidly resoiled.
Dave.

[Mark Roberts]

I remember your views Rob, have you found a product that has changed your mind from previous experience?

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=33110.0

I'd recommend reading the Australian forums where their are a lot of guys who use it day in day out, there is even a encap forum if look hard enough. Its wont do everything, far from it, most carry hwe for problems and on sofa's coming back the next day to vac is not ideal for me. Releasit seems to be the product of choice, not seen it available over here but its easy to buy online and works good, i think that's half the problem, a lot of encap products don't crystallize properly. I'd like to see more suppliers take it on like Oz.

Glad it works for you Martin, most things do if you work at it

[gwrightson]

Rob,
What are you reffering to when you say an o/p , an ocillating pad ?

Geoff

[carpetguy]

Mark

That reference was following a demo of the Cimex and the discussion with the rep', I believe the O/P method to be far superior and having used bonnets on extremely filthy retail establishments, I can assure you, they remove soiling and plenty of it.

There have been demos where O/P's have outperformed T/M's, the last time I mentioned this, a Mr D Bolton mentioned that " he was there "

Just as there are some detergents, micro splitters, etc, which are better than others, there are also encap' products that are better.

I have been experimenting ...................on light beige, at home and end of lets, allsorts, and been astonished at the results.

This has been over the past 6 months , or so and there is no increase in resoiling, over previous H/W/E. Incidentally.................the product I've been using and found to be better than the Cimex one, cost about £5 for 5 litres.

My reason for experimenting, has been due to the state of my body and my determination to keep working.

With spinal compression / sciatica / arthritis, it's hard going and I have been experimenting, to find a compromise, which " ideally " would be an O/P about 15 " which would be used with encap' they have them in the US.

There is a huge bonus, in terms of the tiny volume of water used in encap' cleaning and the low cost of power usage.

[gwrightson]

So Rob, what is o/p  and what encapsulation product do you find best?

Geoff

[carpetguy]

Visit the kleenkuip forum and just look at the o/p posts.........................you will get the picture !!!!!