[Paul-T]

Hello everyone, I need some advice/information and I hope you can help. I need to know what cleaning products (of any kind) that these chemicals/agents can be found in. I have tried doing research on the internet but it is extremely difficult so maybe some of you may have come across them during the time in your industry.

The chemical/agents are as follows:

Paratertiarybutylphenol (also called 4-tertbutylphenol)
Paratertiarybutylcatechol (also called 4-tertbutylcatechol)
Para-amylphenol (also called p-pentylphenol isomers)
Hydroquinone
Monobenzyl ether of hydroquinone (also called 4-benzyloxyphenol)
Mono-butylether of hydroquinone (also called 4-butoxyphenol)

I am aware that Paratertiarybutylphenol can be found in commercial disinfectants, so at least I know the information is out there. Any input from all of you would be extremely appareciated.

Thanks! 

[Jason Hedges]

Sorry mate lost me

I'm sure there's a brainiacs site ot there somewhere

Kind regards,
Jason.

[benny d]

Dont drink more than a pint of the above....TRUST ME!

[tony harrison]

Paul,

Contact Doug Holloway Iam sure he could help you I believe he was a chemist, and is a scholar  and gentleman.

Click onto moderators you will get his email address from there

Regards Tony

[Ian Gourlay]

Doug  is away for two weeks without reading the labels I cannot help you. Most manufactures have data sheets  which we should have on our vans on their Web sites.

[Prestige1]

Why?

[Ken Wainwright]

Prestige1

I presume your Why? comment relates to why we should have data sheets on our vans?

If so, it is a legal requirement. Imagine little Billy picks up some of your chemicals and drinks it. For arguments sake, lets say it was  Sooper Suds Traffic Lane Cleaner from the  Acme Chemical Company. So what first aid treatment should you give? Do you make them vomit or not? Do you give them water? Or milk? Or nothing? And when the Paramedics arrive and they ask you what he drunk you tell them Sooper Suds Traffic Lane Cleaner from the  Acme Chemical Company. What's in it? says they. I don't know says you. Where's your Safety Data Sheet that tells us all this?  Believe me, the fine will hurt And if Billy is seriously injured or worse as a consequence..................

What if there's a fire involving some of your chemicals? Or you are in a traffic accident. How should the fire brigade treat the contents? Did you know that hydrophluric acid, found in some rust removers, will eat through your nails, skin and bones and will carry on spreading? If it really takes hold, amputation is the only cure  What if you splash anything in your eyes? What action should you take?  All these things have guidance notes on the Data Sheet.

These are just a few scenarios why you should have the data sheets to hand.  You should also have copies safely stored in your office.

SAFE and happy cleaning
Ken

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Prestige1

I presume your Why? comment relates to why we should have data sheets on our vans?

If so, it is a legal requirement. Imagine little Billy picks up some of your chemicals and drinks it. For arguments sake, lets say it was  Sooper Suds Traffic Lane Cleaner from the  Acme Chemical Company. So what first aid treatment should you give? Do you make them vomit or not? Do you give them water? Or milk? Or nothing? And when the Paramedics arrive and they ask you what he drunk you tell them Sooper Suds Traffic Lane Cleaner from the  Acme Chemical Company. What's in it? says they. I don't know says you. Where's your Safety Data Sheet that tells us all this?  Believe me, the fine will hurt And if Billy is seriously injured or worse as a consequence..................

What if there's a fire involving some of your chemicals? Or you are in a traffic accident. How should the fire brigade treat the contents? Did you know that hydrophluric acid, found in some rust removers, will eat through your nails, skin and bones and will carry on spreading? If it really takes hold, amputation is the only cure  What if you splash anything in your eyes? What action should you take?  All these things have guidance notes on the Data Sheet.

These are just a few scenarios why you should have the data sheets to hand.  You should also have copies safely stored in your office.

SAFE and happy cleaning
Ken

there is no law in carrying data sheets for the chems we use , if so please send me the stats .........  if what you are saying is true which it is not , everybody on here would have to hold there A.D.R certifcates and have there orange signs on there vans , the law is that as long as you have under 333 lts of chems that are not classed as famable/ hazadas you dont need jack all 

i know this due to haveing  just sat my a.d.r which ive had for the last ten years and trust me when you ring your insureance company to tell them you want to be covered for haz. chem you can add over a 1000 pounds ayear to what you pay now

[Robert Watson]

"And if Billy is seriously injured or worse as a consequence"
I think that's reason enough to have them.
I will be carrying them from now on.
Not that I leave containers open, but Hey, sh*t happens.

[AquaMagic]

Sorry Susan your'e wrong on this one, you need to carry MSDS or Cosh sheets, think about it if you are a contract cleaner you have to have COSH sheets in the storage cupbourd where they are kept, your van is just a portable storage cupboard for a cleaing service, and even if they were not legally required the reasons Ken has stated are enough to make it worth while to carry them, now let me go and check mine are up to date.

Dene

[gwrightson]

without going out to the van and checking, are not the hazards printed on the containers themselves?

and with all the potential hazards  that surround products from of the shelf at stores, are they then not required to carry data sheets when taking home ?

Just a thought!

Geoff

[Len Gribble]

Geoff


Think they must have them somewhere, but you only have to ask expect a long wait.

Wife ether going to Morrison or tesco tomorrow bleach (test case)

Len

[Paul-T]

Tony

Thanks for your advice, I'll contact Doug Holloway (or leave him a message) and I'm sure he'll pick it up upon his return.

As for all the other messages - interesting reading, but hey, aren't you guys and gals supposed to be doing this research I set you - less natter.....more work!

For those with no humour....I WAS joking.....oh, that was relating to the above, not the chems!  

[Prestige1]

Where did all the data stuff come from? I asked the quetion why does he need to know which products contain the chems in. nothing to do with data sheets?

Paratertiarybutylphenol (also called 4-tertbutylphenol)
Paratertiarybutylcatechol (also called 4-tertbutylcatechol)
Para-amylphenol (also called p-pentylphenol isomers)
Hydroquinone
Monobenzyl ether of hydroquinone (also called 4-benzyloxyphenol)
Mono-butylether of hydroquinone (also called 4-butoxyphenol)

[Ken Wainwright]

Hi 1stClean

Every training course I've attended in recent years has suggested that it is a requirement of the law to carry Safety Data Sheets on the van and also to be kept in the office. I accept that I may have been mis-informed, but if I have, I make no appology for the rest of my statement because, as pointed out by Rabby and others, common sense rules. After all, that is probably the biggest factor in all Health and Safety practices.

Something else I have been told on frequent occasions, and I presume it to be correct, is that if you purchase any cleaning product from anyone, be it Prochem or Tesco, they have a legal obligation, upon request, to provide a safety Data Sheet within 14 days. So if you are still using Stardrops or Persil to clean carpets, you need a data sheet for them too.

As for the hazards being printed on the labels, my understanding is that the labels have a precy of the data sheet. Basically just a brief quideline and information.  You would need the complete document to give you all the information required by the Emergency Services to allow them to carry out their duties effectively.  However, there are one or two manufacturers who are taking the lead and supplying EVERY product with full data sheet information. Whether this is printed on the label or is in the form of an attached sheet I can't be sure. I'm not aware of this happening in the specialist CC industry.

Finally, there are some commercial clients who will not allow you on the premises without a Method Statement and accompanying Safety Data Sheets for every product you will have on site, including unused products that will be left in your van.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[carpetguy]

A very good reason to use / carry ...............non hazardous / non flammable / bio degradable products, as, no matter how well trained / insured / ligitimate, you are.............THEY are still able to stop you earning a living!!!!!!!!!!

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

wasnt haveing a go at you ken just that saying  it was a legal requirement was wrong and these people on tranning corses need to get it right wounlder how many of them have sat there A.D.R. ?

but i total agree with you its far better to carry them and it wont be long befour they make it law that we must all have our A.D.R.S im sure of that    as next year there going to be widening the net to catch more chems

which will be a pain in the bum because for every chem you have every time the van moves they must be pinned to the dash of cliped in veiw and if you have 30 chems on borad thats a whole load of paper sitiing on the dash

[Ian Puckett]

i aint got room on my van for no adrs watever they are when they bite you on the bum

[Liahona]

I dont know about in this country or Britain in general but in the states it is a legal requirement to have all paper work, msds and coshh sheets on the van or in each van and in the office and home, depending on where you keep anything else that might not be kept in the van.

You even need an msds sheet for things like wd 40 if it is on board the vehicle.   Fussy I know but as has already been stated it is obvious why we need to have this information.  I have been informed that it is the same law in this country but who cares, legal or not we do need to carry the "paperwork".

[lands]

Prochem give you a full set of safety data sheets for all of their products (in the training manual when you do the course) which I keep with me. I do use other products though so perhaps we should be asking our suppliers to provide them to us. If, as some say, for no other reason than to be equipped with the info that medical professionals need in the event of an unlikely intake of such chemical products.