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alireza

  • Posts: 189
Wand technique
« on: July 12, 2007, 11:52:18 pm »
Hi I use to use prochem steam easy and most of the carpet took around 7 or 8 hours to get dry then I got a mytee machine to get a better result but sill it takes more than 5 hours for carpet to get dry . the vacuums are very powerful you can fell its got much more suction than my old machine  but I don’t know if im doing something wrong or my Wand technique is wrong  ???
I go forward and backwards with the trigger pulled and do two dry passes I also do pre spray as well  so I appreciate if  someone give me an advice please
Many thanks
alireza

darrenlee1

  • Posts: 71
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2007, 12:03:45 am »
sounds really strange, two dry passes and still takes 5 hours.
what is the enviroment you cleaning in. as the property no roof and its raining, lol
darren

will01

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2007, 12:12:02 am »
Alireza:

Never go forward with the trigger pulled ..... only backward. Then 2-3 short dry passes.

Best Rgds

Will

Re: Wand technique
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2007, 12:17:34 am »
Yep that's what it is. If you think about it when you push it your not vaccing the spray.

I have a Mytee and at 200psi I just go back over once and have no problems drying, although I will use an air mover if it's a wool carpet or nylon tiles.

Also experiment with how quick you pull the wand. I had an old 135 ninja, if I drew the wand the same as I did with that I'd have a wet carpet.

Also check jet sizes on wand.

Jason Hedges

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2007, 12:52:52 am »
Hi Alireza,

Perhaps you're putting too much pre-spray down. When I first started I thought more pre-spray is better than less so saturated carpets.

I now know less is better combined with good agitation (especially using a portable, we havent got anywhere near the suction recovery of a t/m).

I now use the least ammount of pre-spray as possible (enough to be effective & stay damp through dwell time, aggitation & extraction, then rinse at as lower psi as possible to achieve good results.

Normally one cleaning pass then several dry passes is enough with man made fibres. With wool & wool mixes a couple of extra dry passes are required to leave as dry as possible after extraction as they will retain moisture for a LOT longer than man made fibres.

Carpet drying times is dependant on so many factors, fibre type and construction, depth of pile, the weather, level of soiling, power of machine, fresh air passing through room (windows open), use of air movers, the list goes on......

Hope this helps.

Jason.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2007, 08:11:38 am »
Without researching notes etc I believe that the trade standard is for the Carpets to be dry in 5 to 6 hours.

Not saying it cannot be done in less.

Ken the other day wrote an interesting thread which said that the carpet does not return to its natural dry state for 2 days after cleaning.

ie there is a little damp left.


alireza

  • Posts: 189
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2007, 10:10:29 am »
I believe I don’t over pre spray because the carpet hardly gets wet but someone tolled me you should lift the wand after each pass to let the air move in your wand do you think this might be a problem because I never lift the wand from carpet because I though is lift the water better

steve horne

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2007, 10:52:45 am »
Sounds to me that your machine might not be working to it's full potential, also are you suggesting to your custys to leave all the doors and windows securely opened to increase the thru flow of air, or make a small expenditure with an air blower to increase air flow whilst you are working, or maybe buy yourself some over shoes, and tread back on afterwards and only dry pass to increase the drying time. Just a few possible helpfull tips!!
"if it's the sofa under your bum, or the carpet under your feet, steve clean's the one to keep it looking neat."
www.steveclean.biz

Re: Wand technique
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 02:00:55 pm »

Invest in a teflon glide for your wand.

You get slightly better drying times anyway, but you can push and pull it a lot easier making multiple passes less effort than one without.


DUTCH

  • Posts: 95
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2007, 05:51:55 pm »
INVEST IN A WONDERWAND ;)

                                          REGARDS DUTCH

Re: Wand technique
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2007, 06:03:01 pm »
Invest in a truckmount.

Phillip Mold

  • Posts: 594
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2007, 06:07:12 pm »
My drying time dropped by 50% when I changed to a wand with a glider
Doing the best job in the world as well as I can

Art

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 06:09:44 pm »
My drying time dropped by 50% when I changed to a wand with a glider

People have said on here in the past that there's no benefit to having a glide if you use a porty

Phillip Mold

  • Posts: 594
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2007, 06:13:31 pm »
Well, only saying what I found, same porty, just a new wand!
Doing the best job in the world as well as I can

CARPET KNIGHTS

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2007, 06:14:11 pm »
I would believe the problem to be spraying on the forward stroke. The most important drying pass is the initial rinsing pass. Make sure when drawing the wand back towards you on whichever stroke to lift the handle slightly giving a small gap at the rear lip of the wand giving you more airflow and when pushing the wand forward drop the handle to have the same effect on the front lip.

alireza

  • Posts: 189
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2007, 06:46:12 pm »
Invest in a truckmount
maybe when i got lucky with lottory :)
thanks everyone

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2007, 07:08:20 pm »
The sound technique described by Goron is basically the effect given by a glide ie maximising the airflow at the wand/carpet interface.

If a glide is fitted to a portable or a low spec T?M's wand, it is necessary to seal the glide to the wand. For medium to higher performance T/M's, this isn't necessary.

It is also important to ensure that the glide is designed to fit your wand. Lot's of variations in design.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

damien71

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Re: Wand technique
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2007, 07:22:39 pm »
The hole type teflon wand glide will help most portables get somewhat better extraction. I have tested with my Recoil 3HP and I recover 85-90% with glide as opposed to 75-80% without glide. For those who don't know this vacuum setup is with two 3 stages and a 2 stage built in booster vacuum each with it's own stack pipe or entrance into the vacuum chamber.
I have a friend with a Bane-Clene setup, he has for years used 3 stage bppsters to get better drying times. Anyway I got him a teflon hole glide and went with him on his next job which was a commercial account with Olefin. It was quite dirty. In any event he appreciated the ease with which he was able to clean with a Bane wand and also his drying times were definitely better.   
He has told me that he doesn't think he could have gone much longer with a wand without a glide. In my case it is the same as I have degernitive disc disease down in the lumbar part of my back. That alone (the health benefit) is enough for me to always have a teflon glide.

Best wishes
damien71

alireza

  • Posts: 189
Re: Wand technique
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2007, 08:03:05 pm »
 so where can i get this teflon wand glide from thanks

Re: Wand technique
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2007, 12:14:37 am »
Try Matt at Cleansmart.

Got mine from Solutions.

All I can say is my experience has been that I don't understand how anyone can drag a wand all day without a glide. It just so much easier to push and pull.

I siliconed around the gaps and this needs doing every month or so.

There are different types slotted, holed and hybrid.

Do some searches all will become clear.