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Luke Johnson

FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« on: June 07, 2007, 10:29:15 pm »
I don't hink enough people are talking about this issue, some day somebody will die using a fishing pole, they are made from carbon and are un insulated ( well the hamilton ones are ). I think we should have suggestions and ideas how to combat this problem. Thanks for your help

LWC

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2007, 10:37:46 pm »
never thought about that one!

EasyClean

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2007, 10:56:31 pm »
Fit a heat shrink wrap on the base section of your pole from an electrical supplier. Supalites are sold with an insulation section so if you buy DIY then you only have yourself to blame.
Losing a customer is like waiting for the next bus, another one will come along shortly!

Jeff Brimble

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 05:51:27 am »
Discussed before do a search. It s the first thing I thought about 18 months ago when developing the Featherlight. 

The F16/Zensor/Reload  always has come with  variable  non conducting sections tested to 1000 volts that can be fitted in various places on the pole to allow for different heights. Not just the base section.

The states, where the electrocution fogures come from only has two uninsulated mains overhead wires. We have the third earth wire always insulated.  I havent heard of any wfp electocution cases in the UK using wfp since it started 10 years ago. We use insulated overhead wires. Most are now underground.
 
Dont use ANY pole in a thunderstorm  :o

Ian_Giles

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 06:14:33 am »
I can understand about being concerned about getting yourself frazzled to a crisp, but it's pretty unlikely to ever happen.
Aluminium poles will also get you fried and quite possibly fibreglass ones will too, most of the time the pole is wet anyway, so even an insulated one is no guarantee either.
But if you are working off a ladder you are still at risk, your ladder is always left extended as you move around the upstairs of a building.

Every now and then a freak accident will occur, but window cleaner being crisped aren't going to happen very often...probably more chance of being struck by lightning  ;D

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Luke Johnson

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2007, 09:34:40 am »
So does the maver pole come alredy insulated from Hamiltons Jeff or Jinky?

Luke Johnson

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2007, 12:03:00 pm »
A local lad lost his life bacasue of electrocution from power lines, it's a serious matter, and you won't be off work jus for a few days, you'll be dead. People are increasinlgy wiring their buildings and out buildings illegally. Scotish Power say that they have to treat all power cables as live, even if the are coated. The coating can wear down and get torn off, it is a real hazard not one to shy away from, so no jokes please

matt

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2007, 12:18:07 pm »
So does the maver pole come alredy insulated from Hamiltons Jeff or Jinky?

would it matter with a steady stream of water running down the pole ?? ?? ?

from what i understand it wouldnt

Luke Johnson

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2007, 12:21:02 pm »
the water runs outside, I am looking into using anti electrocution gloves for the job, they are very hard to get hold of though

john tomkins

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2007, 12:21:50 pm »
You say "how to combat this problem", it's not a problem it's a potential hazard like everything else in life, you do a risk assessment, in this case you see overhead power cables, you dont go near them with your pole.
This country is getting too much of a nanny state with totally OTT H & S issues

You're not the type that agreed with kids being banned from playing conkers coz it's dangerous are you ;D

Ian Lancaster

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2007, 03:05:29 pm »
You say "how to combat this problem", it's not a problem it's a potential hazard like everything else in life, you do a risk assessment, in this case you see overhead power cables, you dont go near them with your pole.
This country is getting too much of a nanny state with totally OTT H & S issues

You're not the type that agreed with kids being banned from playing conkers coz it's dangerous are you ;D

Have to agree with John here.  If you're using ladders, it's your responsibility to make sure the ladder is properly sited and safe.  If you fall because the ladder slips away at the foot, or twists around at the top, you've only yourself to blame.

Same with a pole - always make sure it's safe to use it first.

Cheers,

Ian

NWH

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2007, 10:42:40 pm »
Where can i buy that material to shrink round my fishing pole please.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2007, 10:43:58 pm »
We have some in stock.

NWH

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2007, 10:50:44 pm »
Alex i will order some on monday,how do i shrink it to my poles please.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2007, 09:06:38 am »
Hot-air gun, the type used for paint stripping.

matt

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2007, 09:26:26 am »
Alex, this isnt a post aimed at knocking the "shrink wrap "

BUT

would it actually work, as you will have water running down the pole

matt

Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2007, 10:29:07 am »
would you need to heat strink every section, if you use it at different heights

and what about the sections that fit inside each other, would they still fit with
the heat shrink on.

as a guy said earlier risk assessment and basically common sense when using the pole

from my fishing days, you only do the bit you hold, thus the rubber might insulate, thats the idea i think

Alex Gardiner

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2007, 11:08:02 am »
In my opinion, no pole is really safe if hit by lightening or if it hits high voltage power lines.  Because of the use of water in our work, there is very often dampness on a pole.  If working in bad weather, the pole is usually very wet.  In these circumstances electricity would be conducted regardless of the base material of the pole.   We have always insulated the base section of the Super-Lite which would insulate to 10,000 volts with the above proviso though.

I personally work with uninsulated carbon fibre poles (telescopic and modular).  I always do a risk assessment on each property and note all overhead power lines.  I NEVER work in a thunderstorm.

clear-reach

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2007, 12:30:38 pm »
these fishing poles seem to have a lot of no nos are there enough good reasons to use one i myself am looking to buy a pole but want to buy a "proper" pole
not something that is going to be a bodge job
Tom

john tomkins

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Re: FISHING POLE ELECTROCUTION
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2007, 03:52:35 pm »
these fishing poles seem to have a lot of no nos are there enough good reasons to use one i myself am looking to buy a pole but want to buy a "proper" pole
not something that is going to be a bodge job
Tom

Its only a bodge job if you yourself make it a bodge job, there are quite a few on here who use these poles, myself included, and are quite happy to do so, if you want to pay upwards of £700 for a pole good for you, just because it's a cheap and cheerful way to get good height/low weight, no need to try to rubbish it