[RPCCS]

I've just picked up on this thread.

Good luck with your starting work again RPCCS!

Thanks for your reply,  one thing that  is still bothering me is I’ve been told a couple of wcs  called one a lot of my customers  offering to start doing their windows , some had said I’d back doing wc and a couple others I know  are already doing some of my customers while I’m off.
If I return to walk, they’ll just return to sticking to their own  customers, I’m hoping that over 33 years  self employed window cleaner,the majority will take me back providing I tell everyone I’m coming back with my number asking to ring or text me to say ,yes come back , or no thanks we have a new cleaner.

[Bungle]

I've just picked up on this thread.

Good luck with your starting work again RPCCS!

Thanks for your reply,  one thing that  is still bothering me is I’ve been told a couple of wcs  called one a lot of my customers  offering to start doing their windows , some had said I’d back doing wc and a couple others I know  are already doing some of my customers while I’m off.
If I return to walk, they’ll just return to sticking to their own  customers, I’m hoping that over 33 years  self employed window cleaner,the majority will take me back providing I tell everyone I’m coming back with my number asking to ring or text me to say ,yes come back , or no thanks we have a new cleaner.

You said you hadn't worked in 3 years in one of your earlier posts. Are you expecting customers to wait that long for you to return? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

[RPCCS]

I've just picked up on this thread.

Good luck with your starting work again RPCCS!

Thanks for your reply,  one thing that  is still bothering me is I’ve been told a couple of wcs  called one a lot of my customers  offering to start doing their windows , some had said I’d back doing wc and a couple others I know  are already doing some of my customers while I’m off.
If I return to walk, they’ll just return to sticking to their own  customers, I’m hoping that over 33 years  self employed window cleaner,the majority will take me back providing I tell everyone I’m coming back with my number asking to ring or text me to say ,yes come back , or no thanks we have a new cleaner.

You said you hadn't worked in 3 years in one of your earlier posts. Are you expecting customers to wait that long for you to return? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Lot of the customers found out the accident from the lady who’s house I fell off the single roof.
  She told the whole of Facebook, and a lot of them wrote back saying sorry to hear that hope you get well soon, another customer had asked me to do the inside of a village hall, but didn’t get a reply , but when she emailed my wife told her why, she then published in village  that she needed help to do the windows and I was off for a long time.
 It has been a couple of years where I was waiting for a cataract remove  , but it wasn’t done until about 3 weeks but now needed more eye drops per day as I still can’t see from much until mid to late morning.

[Spruce]

I also join the others and wish you the best for your future recovery.

[RPCCS]

I also join the others and wish you the best for your future recovery.

Many thanks, btw  sorry I made you post about the charger looked like I didn’t like it, I just noticed it this morning  and returned to like it. 

[RPCCS]

Have any of you had any similar of what I mention in one of my previous posts? About your work been  “stolen” by other cleaners  taking your customers after hearing about an accident.

[Spruce]

Have any of you had any similar of what I mention in one of my previous posts? About your work been  “stolen” by other cleaners  taking your customers after hearing about an accident.

Unfortunately some will canvass an area they know you work in and tell customers you aren't coming back. Some just have no scruples
If challenged their response would be, 'sorry that's what I was told.'

Years back we had a local window cleaner who also did roofing. He fell from a roof and badly injured his head.

A whole lot of local window cleaners who knew him stepped in to do his work and gave him the money. He eventually went back to window cleaning before he changed over to roofing.  So there are some good window cleaners around.

[RPCCS]

Well I had been trading in 3 areas for over 33 years and never had any serious accident apart from breaking my heel about 3 months after starting work for myself, so was off for bout 5 months.
Providing if I get the ok to start  work, I’m aiming to put a note through every customer who haven’t moved away,  a note telling them I have finally returned to work after  being  off  following a serious fall and can’t climb windows to clean landing windows or anything accepted  by using ladders.  I have had a couple of the long time with other window cleaner trying to take my work.
It’s been a lot of years since I posted on this forum, but now it’s  good being able to speak with people who can help with things I aim to ask on how to get back to work.

[Smudger]

I wouldn’t bother going into the ins/outs of changing to wfp - just see wants you back and start cleaning them

[Spruce]

I wouldn’t bother going into the ins/outs of changing to wfp - just see wants you back and start cleaning them

This is good advice. I would do exactly this in RPCCS' situation.

WFP is now the accepted way of cleaning windows. If anyone objects, then they aren't worth keeping as customers.

[RPCCS]

I wouldn’t bother going into the ins/outs of changing to wfp - just see wants you back and start cleaning them


This is good advice. I would do exactly this in RPCCS' situation.

WFP is now the accepted way of cleaning windows. If anyone objects, then they aren't worth keeping as customers.

Thanks both of you, by the way just call me Rich or Richard, rather than the posted name.

[RPCCS]

As I mentioned about this a while ago, is it possible to fit one of these systems that wire your second battery with a wiring diagrams of how to do it for a cost of about 50 quid parts? Including isolated switch and fuse box as advertised on EBay  Will try and post advert in next post .

[RPCCS]

Like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/365681102921?_skw=second+battery+wire+system&itmmeta=01JZ62SQVKZ7AN216EAQZ3JJ9Q&hash=item55244ad049:g:o4MAAOSwZw1njhwO&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eDYIMmfAIdGJ%2BB0JLt4JMOvxaZTmWKvVDBPe95zdas0JC56tZ8W8fOv8SLdMEkJPndMRS%2FoiDNeqKgrptsSfgIzp6%2Bpz8XvpMPWF0pdhFDe4y%2FQUlMjxfyP5XWFeSecD7Qj3rFWNEDeFGg%2B%2B1I5UkfT4jP4Cm1kXAcc8pjYH2Gwj36A%2FoX5CnvSU3ALWegxZp56ZP%2Fh5lrO1JYZyStj52thMEenkHro13xprA90tdKzF85G3uUaXL3EKxNtrP7Ig8wec7mjuAZsDmGIAF4%2BNZTXCxBp6aLMiNYysTvbpwbrA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM9P3mwvll    Van has stop/start system fitted.

[Spruce]

Like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/365681102921?_skw=second+battery+wire+system&itmmeta=01JZ62SQVKZ7AN216EAQZ3JJ9Q&hash=item55244ad049:g:o4MAAOSwZw1njhwO&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eDYIMmfAIdGJ%2BB0JLt4JMOvxaZTmWKvVDBPe95zdas0JC56tZ8W8fOv8SLdMEkJPndMRS%2FoiDNeqKgrptsSfgIzp6%2Bpz8XvpMPWF0pdhFDe4y%2FQUlMjxfyP5XWFeSecD7Qj3rFWNEDeFGg%2B%2B1I5UkfT4jP4Cm1kXAcc8pjYH2Gwj36A%2FoX5CnvSU3ALWegxZp56ZP%2Fh5lrO1JYZyStj52thMEenkHro13xprA90tdKzF85G3uUaXL3EKxNtrP7Ig8wec7mjuAZsDmGIAF4%2BNZTXCxBp6aLMiNYysTvbpwbrA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM9P3mwvll    Van has stop/start system fitted.

Stop/start is a nightmare. If the van's headlights are on, does the engine switch off when stopped at traffic lights? Can you switch the stop/start off when starting your journey?

I would still do as I recommended a while back on this post. Buy one of those voltage meters that plug into your cigarette lighter and watch what happens when you drive it. In other words, you want to see what the van's alternator does while driving around.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155619467087?_skw=12v+voltmeter&itmmeta=01JZ68JYK14YN2RK33S323JJGG&hash=item243ba49f4f:g:834AAOSwFeNkkZaN&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dshXsil1kBfACKZ8N0xqsndsRmfrAAHYWugcyEq%2FKeCIYHeKtZ1gQRXBUtWVOOGwkDkbT8gl9ECPliSNsdSz9QmCUAPw6mMSV5zkGBIFxhG54LWnSMzYq%2BKPXomoIEtkilsN3uxRyz7dgflzSApNMBbL9i0%2FqeLH3wuKmt40%2FYbQ3%2B4XSw0Up8ANMua90h3vmQF0KSpEarSU0AB2BLVr8SB2BWGKvtopjZDgUyfLZ9TIpjRgCm6NTTVhMLod2WrwHuBcVjl%2BGmOFU4JJApwIT8Tz84v4A3pyNYiiJRDTe5bA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMkurLyPll


Once euro 6 emission requirements became law in 2016, the landscape for split charge relays changed considerably. The thing is that some vehicles were Euro 6 compliant before 2016 as manufacturers tested out the new regulations before they came into force in September 2016.

If you do a google search someone has posted that a split charge relay will not work with a van with stop start fitted. You need a dc 2 dc charger, (b2b charger) with a trigger wire linked to your ignition switch.

https://www.vauxhallownersnetwork.co.uk/threads/stop-start-engine-with-split-charge-relay.910399/

You also need to sort your leisure battery out. Adding another form of auxillary charging isn't going to solve your battery problem.

If you are still using that AGM battery, then there is every possibility that your van's charging system isn't compatable with that AGM battery. You will need to investigate that as well.

[RPCCS]

Well I found the button that switched off the turn off the engine, I haven’t run it at night for a long time, but what I can remember the lights stay on with no switching off when engine stops. One of the company I will go back doing casual work after my eye has been operated on in October, has a Merc which he switched off his turn  engine stopping each time  the vehicle waits at traffic lights etc. He was the one who pointed out getting a switch like I pictured in previous post.Yes the engine can stop switching off when wait on traffic lights etc just by flicking switch when first starting engine.

[RPCCS]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/395732018657?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4xm2jzlrtpi&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=DS-K6oINSB6&stype=1&var=664450280852&widget_ver=artemis&media=MORE
Will this be suitable to fit my van ?

[Spruce]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/395732018657?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4xm2jzlrtpi&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=DS-K6oINSB6&stype=1&var=664450280852&widget_ver=artemis&media=MORE
Will this be suitable to fit my van ?

No. It's the exact same split charge relay you posted a link to earlier, just a different supplier.

This is what you want. They also come in 24v, which isn't any good for you.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235402339122?_skw=victron+b2b+charger&epid=12041444579&itmmeta=01JZ8JPHWAF6AHDJ0N2VDS9XTF&hash=item36cf12a332:g:42UAAOSweO1lsnTO&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dzkXEYx412jMMCpKbqf%2BKLxQp92bCfAydqPh477smj3qRebX2WnQz6MqkRxHg41zOGyIWkkYR6oHQ5b8HjL7cjIzHei8zmCfujj2Ce1Tins1bxVz1Hmm08D0w6Q7LWseLUfLXwEdZV4oUjAGt5HvXZ%2BOPtPMKryuAkf2FHEPzYLczlVLgUBN7SUeNP3mLj8saFb04cF4yf8t8iw8v%2FkJjIrizA5BacPnLpRKCfX%2FmZilitfaDLKHwwJuuWNlg7kho%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8ye2pL6ZQ

You also need 16mm red and black cable, cable lugs, fuses as well at a length of 1.0mm cable to run from your ignition switch or a terminal that is live when the ignition is on. People sometimes find the power source to the cigarette lighter easiest to plug into.

Battery to battery chargers are much more expensive than ordinary split charge relays. These split charge relays have also become cheaper as the demand for them falls away.

Renogy also make a b2b battery charger, but I have no experience with this brand.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126562280784?_skw=renogy+dc+to+dc&itmmeta=01JZ8KCH41N7ATXHAQYRNR02FT&hash=item1d77b32550:g:8YgAAOSwYZhnkIhl&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dRE7cxAGWlp1ISMoBWRjlqSFOcoSjexclgI24jEE0Q9ZWGjG4qhyFRr2bgXtkM8hbTM%2BHUNBWSAbERh2vcyK0URSTGlDfaZ59DChkcYY3TnLdHtulc89D2iC8LOXcboK%2Bx0uU%2BqdJ9qMN4WXOXG%2F3bsmxRhlcgjlcCNiTumoJ01UJYRQ0gfsK7wbtRuIh4feWbzl2BzsKQEZRH8X%2FvF7r3%2B%2Fs9oNheUMqWY6n%2B9mSo%2FckquM2cEwkgcp2lJeF4BLc%3D%7Ctkp%3ABlBMUKKSspP6ZQ

[RPCCS]

Thanks Spruce, I’ll see about getting one you just posted . Most grateful for your help.

[Spruce]

Thanks Spruce, I’ll see about getting one you just posted . Most grateful for your help.

The initial thread back in 2007 was about using the van's battery as a power source to run our wfp pump.

Some window cleaners advise that they do this successfully. We haven't had the same experience. My son initially had a Peugeot Partner van and his van battery went flat in 4 days. Later, the starter battery was replaced with a new one, and we tried it again. After 4 days the new battery was flat. So for us, it didn't work as we just don't do enough mileage to recharge the battery. However, years back, another windie had the identical van in the south, and he used his starter battery without issue.

A few years later, my son-in-law joined us with a Ford Transit Connect T230. His daily commute was 16 miles either way, plus another 10 miles maximum to his cleaning area. His van battery also went flat after about 6 cleaning days, even though he was also using his van for private journeys. We fitted a Numax battery with a split charge relay, and he had to put a charger on that battery every week.

[RPCCS]

I’ve sent emails to various auto electricians over last couple of months , and only had about one reply to at least 6 emails sent. I’m going to try the next county see if any one else will do the job. County next door is only about 10 miles away, Tyneside have received about 6  to different companies and Ive only had about 1 reply .