[Chris R]

Does anyone use a vac power booster with a bane truck mount? I am thinking of the vac booster boxes available from Cross America (recoil) and Savage TM. It would seem to be the easiest option to boost the power of a bane tm on longer hose runs.
thanks
Chris

[Mike Halliday]

or you could buy my bane Aquamount and double your vac power

cost only £800

or fit 2 x3stage vac motors in a box and plumb this into  your bane with a Y junction.

Mike

[conallon]

hi chris
          ive been talking to ed valentine founder of cross - american, then talked to uk dealer robert mc ain, considering purchasing system ( recoil 3 ) running from van with 150 ft of hose, now recoil 3 as standard produces 300 CFMs and as fitted 2-3 stage turbine 17500 rpm -11 amps each, plus 1 built in booster 17400 rpms - 9 amps, but was advised with 150 ft of hose to ad an additional booster   there is one cleaner in liverpool who use recoil 3 as truckmount and i will maybe be talking to him soon to see how hes getting on with recoil 3 system, if you dint already know booster retails for £ 549+vat in uk

                      hope this helps

                          Conrad        

                                   

[Dynafoam]

Conrad,

I suggest you check your stats.

One three-stage plus the two-stage booster run off one 13 amp supply cable - on your figures this would mean the current draw on this cable would be 20 amps  

[mark_roberts]

Mike

Is the 2x3 stages vacs more powerful than the aquamount?

Conrad

11 amps for 2x3 stages vacs does this not include the pump and the booster vac is one the other 2nd lead?

Mark

[Dynafoam]

Mark,

Lead one - One main motor + pump
Lead two - One main motor + Booster

John.

[Fintan_Coll]

Thats fine John, but is'nt the booster box additional to the built in booster. Then you have the lead for the heat exchanger, so four leads in all. Am I right or wrong?. At the first opportunity I am going over to see the Recoil for myself.

[conallon]

hi guys
           looking for tm exploring every avenue, stats given are off website ( american ), i am presuming internals of uk version are the same but wired up for uk ,as they are imported, im no expert on these matters buts what is baffling me is - my portable as 2 3stage vacs and can run upto 100 ft of hose, recoil 3 as 2 3stage plus booster as standard but yet advice given was to purchase another booster to run 150ft of hose, thats a total of 400 cfms, thats more than 100 cfms per 50 ft of hose, dont know weather that im right in thinking that each 1 3 stage gives 100cfms, but as isaid my portable as 2 3stage and i can use 100ft of hose,

                             conrad

[Dynafoam]

Spot on Fintan  

[Dynafoam]

Conrad,

The amperage figures given on the US site do not directly apply since they relate to the 110 volt system, which mean that for a given wattage, their amperage will be higher.

The figures given by manufactures  - and cleaners - for the amount of hose that can be used are unreliable indications of cleaning power, since the assessment is subjective.

You could run 200 ft of hose with your portable and still have some power at the end, whereas I would say the 100 ft on any 2-vac portable is barely usable and another might say that the same machine is barely usable with 50ft of hose.

Coming to the airflow figure (CFM). Two three-stage vac units plumbed in parallel will give more airflow but less total depression potential (water lift) than the same vac units plumbed in series. Other design factors mean that different machines with the same vac units, plumbed in the same configuration, can produce different total airflow. It's not as simple as counting the motors.

John.

[Ed Valentine]

Gentlemen;

Unfortunately, as a manufacturer, I am in a very uneasy situation here because if I answer certain questions, certain ways, someone will consider it "selling" and/or all my honest efforts pounding the key board will be deleted. However, hopefully, no one will protest too loudly.

In regards to Chris question:  

In 1974-75, I actually started the field testing with what eventually because the first Patented POWER BOOSTER System (1980). When I was cleaning carpets Professionally earlier  in 1971, I had at the time a KARPET STEEM (later re-named the BANE system) unit. A nice unit at the time.

Being that I had certain "objectives and goals"  to make this unit more efficient; add greater performance, I invented the POWER BOOSTER in order to add the much needed CFM's/Airflow. It worked and worked very well.

In regards to distance; etc...

The RECOIL-3HP with the two main control vacuums will clean at 150' easily. Been doing this for many years; as thousands of others have also. However, in the effort to----once again----provide even greater efficiency, we added the Built-In Booster just in case the operator opted for this feature on a particular job. I suggest that most of the time it is not needed until one gets to a distance of 100' because this feature keeps and engages optium Air-flow instead of decreasing because of distance.

The POWER BOOSTER System (different than the built-in Booster) will only-----ADD------to the complete draw on CFM's/Airflow at  ANY DISTANCE for much greater extraction performance than what most any other system out there could provide. "Versatility" is many times the name of the game when going the distance.

But, in the end, does the operator need or have to have the POWER BOOSTER System with a RECOIL-3HP to go 100-150'?  Absolutely not. But, its like the difference between a V-6; or a V-8 Automobile. BOTH auto's will get the driver to his distination; but one has more Power and Performance than the other "if" it is ever required in a particular situation.

Hope that answers many questions and somewhat clears up the foggy issues. Because thus far, I understand and have heard that the operators of this equipment have been impressed and it has done exactly what it was designed to do for the cost.

I sincerely Thank You for reading this very long reply.

And, please, I had no other intentions (sales) other than replying in honest.  But, Like that old warrior, John Bolton (must be a "kid" compared to myself), have been in this business much too long and pounding these keys get alittle harder to do as each day goes by.

The very best & Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[Ed Valentine]

AND.........



Thanks, John for your most important statement as an exceptional engineer:

"It's not as simple as counting the motors"




Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[mark_roberts]

If I where you I'd try the Recoil at 150ft with two vacs.  I personally think this is very very optimistic (I have used it at A&M) otherwise its a powerful portable more so than the others out there.  

If it had a built in heater it would be ideal.  Recoil + booster+heater = too many leads.

Mark Roberts

[Martin_Bignell]

Hi all,
When we talk of 150 feet of vac hose, are we talking 2 inch or 1.5 inch.
Martin.

[Dynafoam]

Martin,

The machine uses 1.5" hose.

[Mike Halliday]

Chris, if you really want to boost your bane I read about a gentlemen in the states who fitted a 3 stage vac into his bane. if you replace the elbow that fits into your blower with a T junction then you can fit a 3 stage vac motor onto the spare end ( it might take a bit off jiggling about) you can wire the electrics into the Bane power switch. This will still run off a single power cord.

This will increase the airflow but not the lift ( your vac meter will still only read 8-10)

also if you have that extra vacuum then why not replace your pump with A Hypro 5300 this will fit onto the bane and give you upto 800psi.

this pump can be seen on Dualpumps website.

Mike

[Bob_Savage]

Mike,

If you add a T to that Bane, or even a Wye, you would NOT be increasing the airflow, but would be increasing the lift, as you are not adding another 2" opening into the recovery tank itself, but rather pulling from the same 2" opening from the recovery tank.

Gentlemen:

This CFM and LIFT can be a bit confusing, but one thing is for sure. CFM and LIFT figures for 1-1/2" hose, and 2" hose, are not equal concerning the actual water extraction process, because the 2" hose will move a higher volume of air/water, than the 1-1/2" hose can, per minute.

Since recovery is the main goal of a vacuum system, the 2" hose will make a substantial difference in your recovery rates, which translates to quicker drying carpets, and more vacuum available for the wand, at greater distances.

Adding a vacuum booster, as Ed mentioned, is also a great idea, especially when it is used closer to the cleaning wand, and it is designed for 2" vacuum hose. (The booster should also run parallel to the main vacuum system, and NOT in series). That gives the vacuum system a "vacuum boost", close to the wand, where it matters the most.


Best regards,

Bob Savage
SAVAGE-1 truckmounts

[Dynafoam]

A number of interesting points from Bob  

The last raises a point that is often overlooked.

If a vacuum unit, without restriction, can pass 100cfm, then putting 2, 3 or 5 in series cannot result in appreciably more than 100cfm ( the minor increase being the result of over-revving the motors).

The configuration that both Ed and Bob have mentioned can improve both total vacuum potential and total airflow, since the exhaust of the booster is not restricted by having to pass through the other vacuum units.

John.

[Ed Valentine]

Well said, John. And, the key word that I saw here in your explaination was: (reduce)"restriction".

Whenever one eliminates "restriction" in the hoses, inside the tank, and in this case, the Power Booster System, it will definitely lead to much greater performance in extraction due to much faster reaction time.  And, this was one of the major reasons for the development of it in 1980, and we have been refining it ever since to accomidate the increasing levels of CFM's/AirFlow/etc....

The versatility of using it at, near, or downline has never been changed or compromised because the real advantage depends upon the operators requirements as to a particular job.


Thanks to all above
& Good Fortune;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[Mike Halliday]

Bob You say adding a 3stage vac motor as I suggested would not increase the airflow, I would agree with this if the Bane blower was already pulling the maximum of air allowable through the  2inch restriction,  but it does'nt so there is lots of 'space' to allow more air to  through.

as for this set-up increasing lift, if this was so would'nt the vac gauge read higher? I believe it does'nt increase the Lift because the wand/carpet interface causes a vacuum build-up in the recovery tank, this vacuum puts too much strain of the small motor of the 3 stage vac so stops it actually pulling any air at all, I've put my hand against the outlet of a 3stage vac set-up with a bane blower and if you block off the waste tank inlet evntually no air is blowing out of the 3 stage.

this is why I think the most important thing to remember with the set up I've suggested is correct use of the wand to allow a continuous flow of air.

Then again I might be wrong :

Mike

ps I hope this makes sense