[ianharper]

hi guys

how do you rate this machine? thinking about trading in my Eclipse.

what about all the addons?

respect

Ian Harper

[paul wright]

better of running a top range ninja t\m

[Chris R]

A Good mate of mine runs a Scorpion and he is very pleased with it.

He had a ninja before and says that the scorpion is FAR more powerful.

With regard to the add ons, it depends how you look at it ?

The basic machines got 3 x 3 stage vac motors and a 350psi pump.

No built in heater.

BUT it weighs only about 80lb ( a speedster weighs 125lb, and eclipse weighs half a ton ! ?)

regards

Chris

[ianharper]

chris

does your mate have a booster?

[des]

Ive got the 500psi scorpion and now i dont mind which one i use Truckmount or scorpion Best porty ive ever had DES

[Chris R]

chris

does your mate have a booster?

No Ian, he doesnt have the seperate vac booster.

He says that he doesnt need it.

He uses 2 inch truck mount vac hose, with a 15ft whip.

Up to 115ft he is happy with the standard performance.

regards

Chris

[Steve Weatherley]

Hi Ian

Just wondering why you are looking to change from the Eclipse. Are you not happy with it?

[Mike Osbourne]

If you take a look on cleantalk there are lots of very positive things being said about the Scorpion. In fact almost to the exclusion of any other machine.

[ianharper]

steve

Someone has made me an offer on it as i am thinking about changing. big step as its a great machine but very heavy.

I would like to work in the city and it would be easier if i had a smaller van and lighter machine. the power to weight ratio looks the better on the scorpion.

As i say only thinking at the moment

Respect

Ian Harper

[stevegunn]

If you take a look on cleantalk there are lots of very positive things being said about the Scorpion. In fact almost to the exclusion of any other machine.

Well thats bound to happen the forum is ran by the supplier of said machine

[Ken Wainwright]

That forum is run by the suplier of BOTH machines in question.

From listening to the experiences of owners of both brands of machine, performance isn't an issue. There will be occasions when one will outperform the other.

Although spares and technical support should still be available for the Eclipse, as far as I'm aware, it is no longer imported. The Scorpion is. But it would be wise to check this situation with Solution UK.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[stevegunn]

The supplier soon dropped the eclipse so that tells you something about the eclipse.

Ken you are a scorpion user give us your experiences with the machine?

[carpetguy]

Problem with machines, is, we all have our favourites which may not truly reflect the suitability for another individual.

I've been fascinated by the Cross American ( rebadged Scorpion for the UK ) for years, based on it's power..............but power, as we know, isn't everything, as the CFR debate has shown.

If I were starting out in this business, I'd find it EXTREMELY difficult to choose.

The Prowler would be at the top of my list...................
The CFR workstation would be up there too................
The Ninja also, this is what I've used most and still do...
but I would make sure that I saw the others, particularly, when you consider the outlay.

Then, of course, there are other methods, which, along with the correct chemicals, may be better for your particular, target market !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rob

[Seers]

I've owned the scorpion for over a year now and have never used the booster I bought with the machine. I should really take it out of the van, I can't see a time when I would need it.

I am pleased with the results we achieve and nothing has broken on the machine yet, and to be honest I don't maintain it as I should really.

Cheers,

Huw.

[Ken Wainwright]

Yes, I gather that the supplier has dropped the Eclipse. My understanding is that it was a business decision rather than any technical issues. But as I said, you'd need to to speak to the supplier for precise details surrounding these issues.

As for the Scorpion, it is still a Cross American Machine, based on the Recoil 3 model. It has been modified to suit the European market. In the UK, our electricity mains supplies more amps than Stateside, so the design takes advantage of this. It is also designed to run considerably quieter than the Recoil 3.

As for myself, it is well known on the forums that I have a personal preference for AO rather than VO machines. That narrows my choice considerably. I have not regretted my decision for a moment. I did give the CFR recyling and non-recycling machines serious consideration. But we're all big boys who love big toys. Big numbers on the stat sheet can be very seductive. You will always want the most you can get for your money. I was, and still am, delighted by how many cfm's my hard earnt ££££ have bought me.

Safe and happy cleaning
Ken

[stevegunn]

I know there was technical issues with the eclipse which may have been rectified I for one received my eclipse which ran for 10 minutes before cutting out the wrong motor had been fitted for the Uk market this was sorted over the xmas period but it was not a good start.I know of one guy who needs to run his machine from a generator because it trips the fuse box in the houses he uses it in.There was an issue with the pressure gauge not giving an accurate reading so you did not know what pressure you were running the machine at.

I for one would have dropped the eclipse too if the scorpion was more reliable

[Matt Lindus]

Why would anyone want a scorpion. All the attention has been given to the vac side of the machine by overloading it with vac motors. Heat has been taken out of the equation to compensate for this.

Plug this machine in to the customers electric's along with a heat exchanger and enjoy the fireworks.

Then you get all the people associated with this thing coming out with the pathetic, predictable "Well heat is not essential to cleaning, new legislation, people could scold to death blar blar blar blar"!!!
If they had a machine that produced very high heat im fairly sure these statements would reverse.

sorry for rant / matt 

[craigp]

If you take a look on cleantalk there are lots of very positive things being said about the Scorpion. In fact almost to the exclusion of any other machine.

lol 

[ianharper]

matt

with respect, don't you think that each one off us has their own sinners circle for the setup and methods used?

you right heat is important with some setup's, its funny when cleaners make a statement about this type of thing that don't comment on the full circle, which off the other elements they use and to which degree.

I myself have four basic setups and it took me ages to find what i was confident in using. I have test two new products in the last month and so, one was good and the other not so, this did not change what i use or how but gives me an option when if i need to have a replacement.

For example I am thinking about changing my machine at the moment. this is could upset the balance off my sinners circle.

I don't need heat as much with my setup as i use more mechanical action. but have the option if needed

[Nigel_W]

I have been using a Scorpion/Recoil for years with an Ashby's 3kw heat exchanger. I have yet to enjoy a firework display

Personally, I think heat is an important element of the cleaning process so I use a heater with my Scorpion. I am glad that there isn't a built in heater because it would make the machine heavier and less manouverable.

Nigel