[macmac]

Trad will never die, it will always be needed. I'm wfp & trad & to be honest i love doing trad as much as wfp, i have some big accounts (very large, very old buildings) that will always have to be done trad as the glass is like paper! the lightest bit of pressure from a wfp brush would just push them through (trust me, been there). so to me there is no alternative in some situations. IMO you are at an advantage if you are both trad & wfp, this way you should never have to turn work down that is unsuitable for one method as you have both tools.

tony

[brett walker]

Trad will only die if you let it, i am quite happy wfp'ing upstairs leaded and georgian only.  I enjoy squeegying downstairs it gives you some variation to the job, i would personally find wfp'ing tops and bottoms a bit boring but i have had some customers think you can wfp insides.

Trad will never die same as wfp its another tool in the box

Brett

[D.Salkeld_Ltd]

Hi All,

First of all it's good to see us all talking sensibly about this subject.

I feel that, in time, totally traditional window cleaning with ladders will be hard to come by.

Because of H&S with ladders and the fact that, lets face it, most window cleaners would love to get rid of the ladders!! (I did!) Water Fed Pole will take over as the norm.
However window cleaners will always need a ladder, washer, squeegee, scrim and sill cloth in their tool kit!

David

[dwc]

I was asked to qoute a job on a b&b today, I initialy refused as the lady already has a cleaner using wfp....and we use trad.......

The lady said that the water used to clean the glass on the third floor window has been getting into the wooden sills and frames and causing them to swell and split.................including the frames and sill on the ones below.

As a water fed pole system is still relativley new, could this be a big problem if used over a long period of time?.

As for health and saftey.........we use extension poles just as well as ladders. Health and saftey can not ban the use of ladders.......only insist on saftey measures.

 

[dwc]

lol.....probably should...

But what if she was to take the guy to court and claim it was all the extra water used to clean the windows that caused the problem , or even aggravated it.

I know we are all covered by insurance.......but i would not like to go to court.

hmmmmmm?   

[poleman]

The lady said that the water used to clean the glass on the third floor window has been getting into the wooden sills and frames and causing them to swell and split.................including the frames and sill on the ones below.

So what happens when it rains  :

[dwc]

Thats why i added aggravated..........



I am not having a go at wfp,

I am still considering using one, but still looking at all the pros and cons.

[Sunshine Cleaning]

lol.....probably should...

But what if she was to take the guy to court and claim it was all the extra water used to clean the windows that caused the problem , or even aggravated it.

I know we are all covered by insurance.......but i would not like to go to court.

hmmmmmm?   

Is this EVER likely to happen. I would love to know if anyone has ever been taken to court over something so barmy.

[eddie d]

the lady is probably right ,the water may have accelerated the rotting process .but she should keep the frames maintained then there would be no problem .i clean wooden frames all the time with no rotting frames and there is no problem .i used to have people say that about soapy water .mmmmmmmmmmm

[dwc]

It gets you thinking.......................

Thank god for UPVC..........

I think i might turn her down, would not like to bring her sills down by catching them with a squeege after the pole slips..............

 

[Londoner]

The big part of the debate for me is a point that rarely seems to get mentioned. Its a lot less effort for me to clean a house WFP than to do it trad.

Some people equate that to being quicker or more profitable but in real terms it means not having to lug a big ladder around and keep climbing up and down it.

Thats why the future will be WFP despite the fact that its "not real widow cleaning" whatever that means. The fact is its easier with a pole and thats enough to bring about the change over time.

Although I am WFP I don't want everyone to go over because I like very much being different. People stop and talk to me about it.

[Neil Williams]

Exactly. And when people say that's not window cleaning try this one.
When you put your car through a car wash and you drive it away still dripping water, has your car been cleaned or not?

There will always be a place for trad cleaning, it's called insides and also for doing ground level windows.

Thats why the future will be WFP despite the fact that its "not real widow cleaning" whatever that means.

[dwc]

what happens to wfpolers when the is a big drought in your area and a hose pipe ban..........

been trad, i would buy a couple of 5lt bottles of mineral water....

[Neil Williams]

Mineral water would be of no use as it generally has a TDS reading of 500 plus, which is higher than tap water. Most of us use 0 TDS whilst some achieve results with 15 TDS.
As for droughts being a business it is general ok to carry on as these only apply to house holders.
Hope that helps

what happens to wfpolers when the is a big drought in your area and a hose pipe ban..........

been trad, i would buy a couple of 5lt bottles of mineral water....

[Terry_Burrows]

I still say it will never die, y because you still need to clean inside,there is no
other product on the market to take place of the squee gee,for internal or otherwise.wfp will not be the end of squee gees..

[dwc]

Just found more about drought orders...........

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=33813.0