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Glynn

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2004, 12:58:18 am »
Michel

The Mr Steam was made by Windsor (US) now owned by Castle Rock Ind) (Prochem) it was rebadged Domminator by Dowding & Plumber as far as I can remember, for the Victor brand. I owned 4 of them,  1st one off Systematic Cleaners (as was one of my first courses and membership into the CCA) now NCCA). I remember using the Windsor "Zinger" with a tool atatchment like a Flymo ! it was very good though for it's day, and the "Pile Diver" weighted DragTool (I still have one of these)  I bet Derek would remember them all.

Regards

Glynn
Regards
Glynn

garyj

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2004, 01:17:18 am »
No Dave, all waste water down the loo, I clean that too.

Hey, cheers Mr Bolton.

Dave Parry

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2004, 01:31:51 am »
Gary, dont let the water board know you put waste water down the loo, theres a BIG fine.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

Mark Betts

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2004, 01:35:29 am »
Dave

Where should it go then?

So are you saying its ok for me to have a dump  ;) down the loo and its not as nasty as mucky water from a carpet? ;D ;D ;D

Mark

A Dog Isnt Just For Christmas.........  Save a Bit For Boxing Day  !!!!!

Dynafoam

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2004, 01:46:36 am »
Glynn,

I too have a Pile Diver, which I still use for flood work.

The weight put on the trailing edge of the vac slot is such that it squegees the water out of the underlay.

The Mr Steam machine was very advanced in some respects, being equipped with water-level sensors for both tanks which switched off pump/vac as required.

Dave,

The foul sewer is the prefered method of disposal for most water authorities.

John.

garyj

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2004, 02:00:44 am »
LOL Mark.

What do you do with your waste water Dave!!


Dave Parry

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2004, 02:22:00 am »
To dispose of ANY waste water you have to have to pay for a permit, and even then it only lets you dispose of it in one designated place. It is classed as industrial effluent, and as such should be licensed. They dont police it, but you can be fined I think up to £ 20,000 for incorrect disposal. Not saying what I do, the secret police may be evesdropping.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

garyj

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2004, 02:30:49 am »
As I use solutions I only have hot water in the tank. Nearly all my waste will be grubby water, so down the loo it goes.

I will tell my customers what you've said though to help market the way I clean.



Derek

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2004, 10:15:50 am »
Hi Glynn

Yep..I do remember them...I will let you into a secret ..promise not to tell anyone!  ;)

There is to this day a 'Zinger' bought from Malcolm Beeze's company, Systematic Cleaners, till operational. It is owned by a long time truck mount user down in 'Essex'.

I won't disclose his name but this 'old man'  ;) reckons it can still put the truck mount to shame... you obviously have the setting up times to contend with though.

You could almost say that the Zinger was the 'Beeze' knees....Gosh that was awful  :-[

Derek

Dave Parry

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2004, 02:31:40 am »
Gary, doesn't matter what you use its still classed as trade waste, so technically you need a license and cannot put it down the customers loo. You should put into a container and take it to you designated disposal area. This can be your own loo or similar foul sewer.
Bracknell, Berkshire,
Phoenix T/M,
http://www.cleanercarpets.org/index.html

Fox

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2004, 03:44:02 am »
Well guys - I don't do alot of carpet cleaning but when I have I've used the loo to dispose of!  When contract cleaning the mop water goes the same way!!!  Only one site I have managed in 8 years or so had designated drains.

It all depends on the chemicals and whether they can be broken down in the right environment (basically can the sewarge works cope with the particular substances that are being used)  Most chemicals used now days are environtmentaly friendy so is not a problem.

As for the fining system - who's going to police it?  Like many areas the law is put into place but until a complaint is made about disposal (or whichever law is being abused) nothing will be done.

The only problem with disposal of waste down a loo/sink is if the customer has a problem with a blockage within a certain amount of time after you have completed the job they blame you!  However if you take the waste outside and empty it down the drain (same place as normal sink will empty into) no one will complain! Bizarre!!

Dynafoam

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2004, 03:47:45 pm »
Fox,

You need to make a clear distiction between sink and loo - I'm sure you do when washing your hands  ;D

In most areas there are two separate drainage systems - Storm and Foul. The storm drain is mainly rain water, which requires no processing prior to entry of a watercourse or reservior. Sink drains also often use this drain.

Foul drains take the discharge from the loo and are routed to the sewage works for immediate processing. It is these that are generally acceptable for the contents of your mop bucket.

In a previous thread, it became apparent that, though few water authorities would give a written answer to the question of the disposal of small amounts of trade effluent, the answers given throughout the country agreed on just the point that contaminating the storm drain was considered a cardinal sin.

Dave was the unfortunate one who did get a written answer, whereas I and some others were told that disposal on to soil, provided not adjacent to a lake or  watercourse, was acceptable. The Environment Agency I contacted agreed with this.

One point that was consistant was that regardless of the content of the water, if it is generated by way of trade, then it is Trade Effuent.

John.

George-Reid

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2004, 03:57:10 pm »
Dave.
You are correct in what you say but because you are carrying the containers for disposal you also need to register as a waste carrier. I think its around £80 for three years.

Cheers

George
Spectrum Advanced Services Ltd
The Specialist In Wheeled Bin Washing
Domestic, Bulk, Commercial & Industrial
Equipment Supply
Environmental Best Practice Green Apple Award Winner
N.E. Scotland

Dynafoam

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2004, 04:36:21 pm »
George,

Strictly speaking that applies to all truck-mount users who do not empty their waste tank before driving away.

John.

garyj

Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2004, 04:41:03 pm »
If it is £80 for 3 years it may well be worth us all having one, again another marketing tool. Its nothing compared to the thousands we spend on insurances.
I do think its highly unlikely that we would get caught putting dirty water down a loo, but if I was asked by the water board or whoever what I did with my waste I would have happily told them it goes down the WC and wouldn't even have known I was doing wrong.

George-Reid

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2004, 12:25:12 am »
John.
You are correct.
Even if you took away a piece of fire or water damaged goods for disposal you would require a waste carriers licence. If you took it away for attemted restoration which then failed and you then put it in your skip you would not need the licence.

The good news is that its one licence for the business and does not matter how many vehicles you have.

Cheers

George
Spectrum Advanced Services Ltd
The Specialist In Wheeled Bin Washing
Domestic, Bulk, Commercial & Industrial
Equipment Supply
Environmental Best Practice Green Apple Award Winner
N.E. Scotland

Mark_Jubb

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2004, 02:37:26 am »
Regarding waste carrier licences.
The company I previously worked for had one and I recall that it was issued by the Enironment Agency. The initial cost was between £300 & £500, which was for a 3 year period and the renewal cost was between £80 & £100 for each 3 year period after that.
Technically, you are also supposed to have waste transfer sheets for each load disposed of. These should show the nature of the waste, when & where it came from and be signed by both yourself, your customer & a representitive at the disposal site. (A lot of faffing around, and it doesn't usually happen in practice). This situation regarding transfer sheets may differ from region to region. (We operated in the Thames Water Region).
Regards
Mark
If there isn't enough time to do the job right,  how do we find the time to go back and do it again when the customer is not happy ?   Do it right the 1st Time.
NCCA Member 1399.  Swindon, Wiltshire

Dave_Lee

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Re: Ideas to increase your bussiness   2 New
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2004, 03:53:52 am »
Gary & Mark,
Sorry for the delayed response. My initial reaction was because I thought Gary was putting the waste water down the sink, which I am sure you agree is not the place for it even if it does all end up in the same place The loo is fine as it goes to the foul drain and sewer. Officially you do require a local water authority license to empty your trade efluet into this system. As I use a TM, and as I have said on the many posts on this specific subject, the local advice I have been given is to dump the dirty water on grassland away from drainage ditches, streams, rivers and ponds etc. This is where I dump my dirty water.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."