[Kev Loomes]

Anone know what the best/cheapest/easiest set up is? I'm looking to feed after the machine (to conserve pump) but dont know where to start with regards to what dispenser etc.

Also what is the best chem? Ive seen Chemspec Liquid High Heat which sounds good as it de-scales at the same time and slightly acidic (good for dye stabilising/browning etc). But is there better and cheaper?

[Kev Loomes]

Forgot to mention, its not for pre-spraying but for extraction chem. Also its not a TM but porty set-up with inline heaters.

[rs_cleancare]

Hi Kev,

I also have been thinking how to do the same but i'm not worried abot the chem being fed after the pump do you know of a way?

With your shiney new Mytee how long are the leads? Just thinking that if I get one and leave it in the van I don't realy want to have to use extension cables. Rain water and all that malarky.

Have a look at this site  http://www.crowelectro.co.uk  you can buy a split relay charger so you can have a seperate battery in the back of your van to power the surfow pump. This is what I do.

Rob.

[Kev Loomes]

Hi Rob

The leads are very long! I dont envisage a problem and shouldnt need an extension lead (although I always carry one onboard just in case). It seems a bit of a pain though as there isnt anywhere to keep them - its no good wrapping them around the handle. I bought 2 cable carriers so its ok now WhereI bought it, I thought they were quick release from the machine, but mine isnt

I've seen the inline chem units for about £150.00 that are used to spray pre-spray by connecting to the solution hose. They use quick release so I dont see why they cant be used for chem additive instead, they have ratio control too. It just seems expensive to me though!! I wanted to use the chem AFTER the pump (outside the machine) as I will be using a 250ltr tank. It just seems easier than keep putting additive into the water tank etc.

I like the idea of the battery splitter! I was speaking to Gary who has similar setup with Ninja's, and he said that he hasnt had a battery problem yet - using his vehicle battery. I think I will double check with him again before I spend all that wonga. I'll keep that site in my favourites for now!

[John Kelly]

Kev, the liquid high heat is designed for truckmounts where it goes through a heat exchanger. The special formula prevents the ingredients "splitting" or breaking down.
Liquid formula 90 is quite good and can be used in various dilutions.
I wouldn't worry too much about chemical going through your pump, plain water can be just as damaging if you live in a hard water area. Just flush them through at the end of the day.
You can also just pre-spray and rinse with either plain water or use fabric rinse in the tank.
I also think I have a working 12 volt pump lying around somewhere if your're interested.

[craigp]

im not aware of chems causing pump damage, i've never had a prob anyway.

how about pre mixing (make sure its fully desolved) a powered chem like prochems heat wave and stick it in your clean tank every time you fill up, or buy a liquid chem and stick that straight in.

me mate got a TM with no chemical feed, thats how he does it.

Craig

[cleaning co]

hi kev, your van batt will be fine to run the 12volt pump ,i use heat wave chem , chem feeds are pain dont bother, put a scoop in machine tank it last for 4 fills of machine no prob ,the heat of u machine will do most of the cleaning

[cleaning co]

also  u will on quite few times need 100ft hose, and u will need ext leads trust me, all my machines hav 50ft leads , do not use ord ext leads do not plug two machine plugs into one ext lead , the reasons for this is u will melt the plugs in the socket in the house,u will melt the ext lead socket ,  go buy yourself  2 lots of 50ft very heavy duty lead from a proper sparky shop and fit heavy duty sockets an plugs ,   remeber these machines leads each are drawing near on the max 3200 watts u can get out of a household socket
p.s kev if u hav only 50ft of hoses  u need to phone your supplier asp and order 2 extra 25 ft lenghs  or u could be in trouble on u first job !!

[Kev Loomes]

Thanks for the info guys.

John
If only I knew about the battery earlier, I ordered a new one yestarday (£85 + vat), thought that was the cheapest, then saw one for £65 + vat on the link for the battery splitter site that Rob gave me (above). TYPICAL!

Gary
I wont bother with the chem feed then! Ive got 75ft hoses already (witing for the other 25ft to arrive) and a couple of (now) old 25ft hoses that I might be able to use. I must admit I'm a tad worried about the battery lasting....watch this space!

[rs_cleancare]

Kev, when i first put my system together i would run it off the van battery i never had a flat battery in the 3 months and sometimes run the pump for 7 hours at a time. Always made me a little nervous!
I was then advised to run the pump off a lesuire battery and use a split relay charger as this will save the hassle of having to charging it up every few days.
I think for the sake of about £35 for a lesiure battery you get peace of mind.


Rob.

[Kev Loomes]

...save the hassle of having to charging it up every few days.
I think for the sake of about £35 for a lesiure battery you get peace of mind.

Hi Rob

Im not quite with you, do you mean you charged the vehicle battery up every few days? Surely this would charge up when you run the engine? Also I went on the website and the split charger is £75 + vat. So I'm looking at over £100.00. Is it worth it? before I commit I would appreciate you comments!

Ta

[cleaning co]

the best idea kev is to try it out, once its fill machine up it only kicks in for a few seconds at a time  when u are working, and how long are u going to be using it between driving to u next job when it get charged again, dont no what sort van u hav but on mine its so small it looks like bike batt lol  , take a batt charger with u when u are trying it out so if u hav a prob u can charge it on the job to get u home

[Kev Loomes]

Thanks for the info guys.

John
If only I knew about the battery earlier, I ordered a new one yestarday (£85 + vat), thought that was the cheapest, then saw one for £65 + vat on the link for the battery splitter site that Rob gave me (above). TYPICAL!

Woops! I meant to say pump not 'battery'. Jeez I'm losing the plot.

Gary
Good idea, I'll try it first and see how it goes. Where can you get the heatwave chem?

[rs_cleancare]

Kev if you have a look in halfords they do a split relay for about £15 the type used for caravaning.
You have to make sure it's a split relay as you don't want to pull power from your lesuire battery as these are not designed for it.
Rob.

[craigp]

battery should be fine, the wfp window cleaners use the same 100psi pump off there van batterys all day.

our host probaly does heat wave.

Craig

[Kev Loomes]

Cheers Rob, Craig.

[Kinver_Clean]

The best long leads are orange caravan leads. They are rated at 16 amps so will have a lower voltage drop and have circular connectors. The connector with pins can be cut off with a foot or so of cable to fit to the machine and a 13a plug fitted to the cut end on the lead. I have two sets of leads, one set 2.5m and the other 22.5 m. Both my machines have connectors on the back so I can use either set with each mc. The 2.5m ones are used most even with leaving the mc outside most times.

They look better and comply with regulations (elf & safty)

Trevor