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Thanks for the reply Brett its good to hear other opinions.I would like to add that I work with dry cloths, scrim or fibre which I think is a factor here. I get water for ragging from my side bucket I either flick my dolly up leaded windows leaving a line of water up the window then buff, or blob quater lights and buff. Sometimes I like a wet corner on my scrim which I obviously utilise.When I first got my micro's it felt wierd not taking a scrim with me I eventually got used to it but it still felt strange, I cant be without my dearley beloved scrims all 13 of them there all at diffrent stages in life (broken in) there like old friends to me Micro Fibre, How do you use yours???RegardsProPole