[Pj]

I knew a guy who fell from a ladder and landed on railings like these.

6 months later...

He was, not only unrecognizable, but he didn't know who we were either!

TRUE

[Sir Squeaky]

what if he fell backwards though, he would have to rely on superman to be flying past to save him

I'm forever just falling backwards off ladders.

I get bored of it.

[Pj]

It's not a jib at you personally, Rog.

It happens!  And, believe me, more than you realise.

I reckon I could count at least 20 serious falls I know of...And I'm nobody

[Archy136]

Probably about 5 mins work on that one window. I could wpf the whole front in 5 mins. That picture just makes even more convinced what a fantasic invention Wfp is.

[Sir Squeaky]

Probably about 5 mins work on that one window. I could wpf the whole front in 5 mins. That picture just makes even more convinced what a fantasic invention Wfp is.

;

That's even funnier than the picture.

5 minutes, and it's perfect with no spots!

[Pj]

5 minutes!  I'd say covered in spots.

20 minutes, no spots, no danger....

no bait, no bite, no nonsense..... just fact.

[Ian_Giles]

Please guys, what the hell has this got to do with WFP?

Don't subvert what could be an interesting debate into the safe use of ladders, or of those in authority using examples of this kind as an excuse to ban ladders.

Any further mention of WFP on this thread will be dealt with in the usual manner

Ian

[Pj]

Please guys, what the hell has this got to do with WFP?

Don't subvert what could be an interesting debate into the safe use of ladders, or of those in authority using examples of this kind as an excuse to ban ladders.

Any further mention of WFP on this thread will be dealt with in the usual manner

Ian

Don't be so inconsistent you heavy footed yob, Ian!

A few days ago you took over my topic about pricing a job, completely!
I just wanted a quick overview of pricing on metal casement windows....
You gave at least 4 replies, taking it way off topic as far as I was concenrned.  You posted pictures, had a boring argument with Squeaky, which as far as most of us are concerned, you should sort out on a street corner near you, yaaaaawwwwwnn.  I lost interest on my own post!

And now you have the audacity to demand that we stay on topic!


Look at the picture again!  Method might have some bearing!

It's just you and Squeaky bashing it out again if you're not careful, which is losing ratings on this forum

A man risking his life on a window ledge 15'-18' up could have a lot to do with wfp, regardless of your own personal interpretation of the first post.
there may be a safer way than the method he is using, that's all.

[Paul Coleman]

I'm probably going to be told I'm stupid for this, and you maybe right...

But:

I suspect the feet of his ladders are backed up against a concrete foundation for the metal railings; so his ladders are not going to slip backwards.

The right hand side of his ladder looks like it's leaning on the sill, but also against the right hand edge of the stone window opening; a part of the building; and if he knows what he's doing, he'll angle the ladders slightly, so it can't slip left; and definately can't slip right, because of the building infrastructure is stopping it.

I also guess, because we can't see, that he's lifted his ladders up quite high, past the sill; so has a firm handhold.

Okay, his use of ladders isn't text-book; but I think it could be safe.

Please line-up, in an orderly cue to call me stupid!

Sure thing Tosh.  I've done similar myself before to guard against ladder slip. I wouldn't do it above those railings though.

[EasyClean]

I picked up quite a bit of work in a certain area where I work a while ago because the previous window cleaner (he was 53 and had been doing it all his working life), fell off his ladder and had a nasty fall. He broke quite a few bones and doesn't work anymore. Luckily for him he recovered well: he has a wife and three grown up children. My heart really went out to him and his family. He was always very careful up ladders but accidents do happen no matter how careful you are. Fate can strike at any moment so my message to all you traditional window cleaners- BE CAUTIOUS!

[Ian_Giles]

PJ
It's one thing saying that for an account like this WFP is a much better and less risky method and explaining why you think so.
Quite another to make it about WFP leaving spots or not leaving spots ending out with several 'smart mouth' replies.
In the other thread of yours my replies and pic (boring or otherwise) were still about time taken on work both trad and WFP, both being mentioned in your original topic heading if I recall.
This thread is potentially a good one that doesn't deserve to be twisted into "Trad is better than WFP cos it leaves no spots."
And; "No it isn't, you can do a perfect job on that place with WFP."

That photo of yours can be interpreted many ways, I was looking forward to seeing a good safety debate develop.

Ian

[Archy136]

I just want to ask Squeaky one question. This is not a loaded question, and am not going to use it to have a pop at you. I'm just interested to know.

Do you think WFP leaves spots on ALL types of windows or do think it comes up well on some windows?

[geefree]

i guess this is where a pointer comes in handy eh guys ?

gary.

[poleman]

NO WAY in this life time is that classed as safe to put a ladder up by them railings FULL STOP

Andy

[DaveWilkinson]

Looks like he has most of his weight on his right leg and if im correct is on his tip toes, now im no expert but that is asking for trouble.

[Derek_Walker]

Very bad practise, apart from the obvious it looks like the ladder is also on a slope down to the doorway. I did notice that he put his bucket out of harms way in case he fell on it, well you have to look after your tools

[Sir Squeaky]

I just want to ask Squeaky one question. This is not a loaded question, and am not going to use it to have a pop at you. I'm just interested to know.

Do you think WFP leaves spots on ALL types of windows or do think it comes up well on some windows?

Probably not ALL windows, just the large majority of ones I've seen.
Also a lot of people have complained to me, and it's got me some decent work.

[Archy136]

Honestly I dont want to start on this old chestnut again. It's not the right thread for it I know. But dont you think squeaky if that if that was the case we would all be out of business. I lot of people dont check their windows I know but alot do aswell. Theres no way customers would put up with.

Anyway back to the dodgy ladder.

[Sir Squeaky]

Customers aren't a fussy as you think, that's why you can get away with it.

Most customers are glad of the "great improvement"
A few spots and runs won't get noticed.

Anyway, back to the topic......

[mgba_78]

Hi

Just to say although i posted this topic, I am a TRADITIONAL cleaner it wasnt meant to be WFP is better topic, more of a, if you use ladders take more care topic and be sensible!!!!!!

Oh and just incase anyone wants to know he is ok, saw him cleaning (on the ground) today and in one piece.

Andy