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Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

That’s a great point tam makes. Your other staff are going to want one as well, If you say he’s paid the difference and they can do the same, it takes away the favouritism.
Tony

I thought one fella thinking its ok to ask staff to pay for equiptment was mad. There's now two of them !!!

Equipment that's over and above standard issue then yes, every single company has standard issue Equipment and in any industry if you want something better then you buy it yourself. Why would you think window cleaning would somehow be different?.

I'll tell you exactly why Tam,  and its nothing to do with what  'what i think' , nor is it related to what 'you think' .
The original poster asked this question :

I have a family member who does some part time work for us though helps out on first cleans etc, but he is  much older in age and he is struggling a bit with his shoulders on high windows etc.

I am more than happy to get him a more expensive lighter pole as i can tell he needs it.

Your answer to this is this :

Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

So, let me ask you Tam..... how would you address this with your staff/family member ? Would you say... "Hey, thanks for helping us out on first cleans and stuff and we're really grateful for your help but if you wanna keep helping us i can see you need some more  expensive lightweight equiptment to help you out. If you pay us £200 (£300/£400 whatever) extra we can buy you lighter gear and keep you going?"

  Would you actually say that would you ? 

No, id treat all my employees the same and they would all get issued the same equipment, if they wanted a lighter pole then they could put the extra cost to it. 

I know people in the army who have to buy there own kit as the standard issue isn't good enough for them.

What kit are they buying ? If it’s not issued by the army then they aren’t covered using it as it’s not approved kit

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I wouldn't work for anyone who was as inflexible an employer as the army.

Next step and it will be yes sir no sir three bags full sir.

OP is talking about an older relative that helps on one off cleans.

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OP is talking about an older relative that helps on one off cleans.

Glad you pointed that out as it doesn't appear to be clear to everyone !! 

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Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

That’s a great point tam makes. Your other staff are going to want one as well, If you say he’s paid the difference and they can do the same, it takes away the favouritism.
Tony

Hey Tony !!! Luckily you caught on to this too. You give it to one and next thing they all want it ? I'm thinking you have a great explanation there and because i'm a bit slow i just quite don't understand it. For my benefit just explain how this works, so to stop the favouritism what do we say....? He gets paid extra difference , or a deduction or they do or something... i'm struggling to grasp it. What is it they can do the same ? Its probably just me being a bit thick, so just explain to me exactly what you mean and what we should do in this scenario ?............. Many Thanks.............................................

Two days after your first response, must have been a big session.

And i'm still waiting for an answer? Don't make me wait two days..... Explain exactly what you mean. It makes no sense to me, you're talking about favouritism and who's paying a difference ? I can't be the only one who is completley baffled by what you said, so say it again and make it clearer.

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Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

That’s a great point tam makes. Your other staff are going to want one as well, If you say he’s paid the difference and they can do the same, it takes away the favouritism.
Tony

I thought one fella thinking its ok to ask staff to pay for equiptment was mad. There's now two of them !!!

Equipment that's over and above standard issue then yes, every single company has standard issue Equipment and in any industry if you want something better then you buy it yourself. Why would you think window cleaning would somehow be different?.

I'll tell you exactly why Tam,  and its nothing to do with what  'what i think' , nor is it related to what 'you think' .
The original poster asked this question :

I have a family member who does some part time work for us though helps out on first cleans etc, but he is  much older in age and he is struggling a bit with his shoulders on high windows etc.

I am more than happy to get him a more expensive lighter pole as i can tell he needs it.

Your answer to this is this :

Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

So, let me ask you Tam..... how would you address this with your staff/family member ? Would you say... "Hey, thanks for helping us out on first cleans and stuff and we're really grateful for your help but if you wanna keep helping us i can see you need some more  expensive lightweight equiptment to help you out. If you pay us £200 (£300/£400 whatever) extra we can buy you lighter gear and keep you going?"

  Would you actually say that would you ? 

No, id treat all my employees the same and they would all get issued the same equipment, if they wanted a lighter pole then they could put the extra cost to it. 

I know people in the army who have to buy there own kit as the standard issue isn't good enough for them.

What kit are they buying ? If it’s not issued by the army then they aren’t covered using it as it’s not approved kit

Christ, there's loads of stuff they end up buying, better optics, body armour, my exes brother is in the army and the amount of money he spent of his own money for better equipement was surprising. 

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Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

That’s a great point tam makes. Your other staff are going to want one as well, If you say he’s paid the difference and they can do the same, it takes away the favouritism.
Tony

I thought one fella thinking its ok to ask staff to pay for equiptment was mad. There's now two of them !!!

Equipment that's over and above standard issue then yes, every single company has standard issue Equipment and in any industry if you want something better then you buy it yourself. Why would you think window cleaning would somehow be different?.

I'll tell you exactly why Tam,  and its nothing to do with what  'what i think' , nor is it related to what 'you think' .
The original poster asked this question :

I have a family member who does some part time work for us though helps out on first cleans etc, but he is  much older in age and he is struggling a bit with his shoulders on high windows etc.

I am more than happy to get him a more expensive lighter pole as i can tell he needs it.

Your answer to this is this :

Id be inclined to ask him to contribute something towards it if he wants the lighter one.  If you do that there's more chance he's actually going to look after it.

So, let me ask you Tam..... how would you address this with your staff/family member ? Would you say... "Hey, thanks for helping us out on first cleans and stuff and we're really grateful for your help but if you wanna keep helping us i can see you need some more  expensive lightweight equiptment to help you out. If you pay us £200 (£300/£400 whatever) extra we can buy you lighter gear and keep you going?"

  Would you actually say that would you ? 

No, id treat all my employees the same and they would all get issued the same equipment, if they wanted a lighter pole then they could put the extra cost to it. 

I know people in the army who have to buy there own kit as the standard issue isn't good enough for them.

What kit are they buying ? If it’s not issued by the army then they aren’t covered using it as it’s not approved kit

Christ, there's loads of stuff they end up buying, better optics, body armour, my exes brother is in the army and the amount of money he spent of his own money for better equipement was surprising.

But you can’t use kit that’s not supplied by the employer as you aren’t covered using unofficial equipment we aren’t allowed to use any of our own kit in the fire service as it will invalidate any claims in the event of injury as an example one guy bought his own gloves  got his fingers caught in a gate locking mechanism and they didn’t pay out any injuries claim as he was using unauthorised kit , if the same had happened using the supplied gloves they would have paid out in full , there was nothing wrong with the gloves but the fact that they weren’t issued to him they rejected the claim same with all PPE we use