[Smudger]

Strange you can’t use red deisel. That’s the only kind if deisel that’s put in my boat and runs the webasto heater.

That was my thoughts I’ve got 2 pressure washing hot boxes that run diesel and I’m defo getting red for them

Darran

[dazmond]

Strange you can’t use red deisel. That’s the only kind if deisel that’s put in my boat and runs the webasto heater.

it voids the 3 year warranty apparently dave....

[Spruce]

Strange you can’t use red deisel. That’s the only kind if deisel that’s put in my boat and runs the webasto heater.

Hi Dave. Nice to see you back. We've missed you.

I think the diesel sold in marinas on the inland water ways appears to be a higher grade and doesn't seem to create the same drama as it did a few years ago. This change was in accord with environmental regulations.
However, those same regulations don't/didn't apply to marina's selling diesel for use in off shore boats.

We live on the North coast and I would be very dubious about buying red diesel for a Webasto heater from our local fishing boat supply pump.

Apart from this pump there is no other supplier/forecourt outlet for better grade red diesel. I've read on here that in some areas Morrisons sell red diesel which would probably work ok with a Webasto/Eberspatcher etc. Obviously we can buy it from the heating oil suppliers but they have a minimum order of 500 liters.

There was someone who used to supply a few 25 liter containers to their heating oil supplier and he went back a few days later to collect them. But I believe the manager was a customer so was aware of where the diesel was being used.

[Spruce]

Strange you can’t use red deisel. That’s the only kind if deisel that’s put in my boat and runs the webasto heater.

That was my thoughts I’ve got 2 pressure washing hot boxes that run diesel and I’m defo getting red for them

Darran

One of the local Redcar window cleaners uses a hot box to heat his water. He buys diesel from that local pump that the fishermen use. The roof of his Transit van was black with soot from the chimney. They have now sold the van and replaced it with a Fiat Ducato and transferred the hot box across. I haven't seen the roof of this new van as yet.

But you shouldn't have an issue as you will be getting the better grade red diesel where ever your inland supplier is.

[Smudger]

Well I would hope the stuff the farmers put in their tractors is a decent grade 🤔

Now there’s a thought I could run water through the hot box at 150 degrees for hot all day 😂

[robert mitchell]

The cost saving for using red is not a huge amount in the scheme of things , its the sulphur in red diesel that causes the problem i believe , but the main thing is to have the water circulate back to the tank when the pole is shut off , the ionics ones do this automatically but its easy to set up yourself .

[Sid123]

I use a propane camping shower unit to heat water from 1000l water tank. Piece of cake on demand water. No really bad issues really, sometimes I think it may cause an airlock (haven’t got a clue why) and then I have a bit of messing around clearing it but better that than paying 5k!, cost me about £250!!

[The Jester of Wibbly]

I use a propane camping shower unit to heat water from 1000l water tank. Piece of cake on demand water. No really bad issues really, sometimes I think it may cause an airlock (haven’t got a clue why) and then I have a bit of messing around clearing it but better that than paying 5k!, cost me about £250!!

I guess if something did go wrong you would not be around to tell the tale.

But at least the money you saved would cover the funeral bill. 

[the king]

a gas shower heater is idel you can just crack on and adjust your temp from luke warm to piping hot , i no some on here fret about danger of these but im now on my second heater and had no problims with fire or any type of worry  at all as long as the van doors are open your safe ,i think the people who worry are the ones who just brought a new van    deisel heaters are just as likely to be unsafe but they cost more to run and buy ,the only advantage to deisel is it has frost set were a gas heater will freeze and crack

[Dave Willis]

Red diesel is 70p a litre from my local canalboat boatyard. It’s cheaper if used for heating, dearer if used for propulsion. There must be 250 boats in the marina near me and most are fitted with webastos. I’ll have to ask around. As far as I’m aware red and white diesel is the same bar the dye.

[Dave Willis]

Problem with gas is, if you were unlucky enough to get a gas leak all the ingredients are there for a catastrophe. There was a van that blew up in Bristol carrying a cylinder home for the barbecue.

[robert mitchell]

a gas shower heater is idel you can just crack on and adjust your temp from luke warm to piping hot , i no some on here fret about danger of these but im now on my second heater and had no problims with fire or any type of worry  at all as long as the van doors are open your safe ,i think the people who worry are the ones who just brought a new van    deisel heaters are just as likely to be unsafe but they cost more to run and buy ,the only advantage to deisel is it has frost set were a gas heater will freeze and crack

Im sorry but your completely wrong , diesel is much safer , diesel doesn’t burn unless heated or under pressure , you can literally drop a match in it ...........try doing that with gas .

[dazmond]

a gas shower heater is idel you can just crack on and adjust your temp from luke warm to piping hot , i no some on here fret about danger of these but im now on my second heater and had no problims with fire or any type of worry  at all as long as the van doors are open your safe ,i think the people who worry are the ones who just brought a new van    deisel heaters are just as likely to be unsafe but they cost more to run and buy ,the only advantage to deisel is it has frost set were a gas heater will freeze and crack

you really havent got a clue what your talking about pal....gas shower heaters ARE DANGEROUS and you wont be insured if your van goes up in flames while your around the back of a property away from the van......

diesel systems are a much safer bet.......

[The Jester of Wibbly]

That's why vans run on deisel and not compressed gas, even if it save a little money.

I would be worried about it in the back of the van in this heat. It's like a green house.

Diesel heaters are perfect for van environments expecially if they run from the main fuel tank.

I know they cost a lot more but depends on how much you value life or your the loss of your van.

If done right I guess you could get away with it but I would not want to risk security leaving back door open all the while for ventilation. 

[dazmond]

I've had a gas leak and let me tell you it was a scary experience....never again....I took the gas shower unit out straight away and took it to the tip....

[P @ F]

See , now I am a user of an L5 and have always banged on about if its plumbed and used safely/sensibly then you should not have any problems , but I do cringe every time I see the above pic , and I also wonder if the gas BBQ was still connected and on whilst in transport , then I could see a reason for explosion upon return .

But , I then think about the calor depot close to me who have thousands of bottles left out in the direct sun all the time and that has not gone bang yet .

Also , last year my dad got a new bottle for his BBQ , he used it on the Saturday disconnected and went to use it again on the Sunday but the bottle was empty , it was a BP gaslite bottle that you can see through so there could be no confusion if the bottle was not full the day before upon purchase .

Which brings me to my next point , yesterday I went to my shed and upon opening the door was met by a lungfull of propane , I have 2 bottles , one is a BP gaslite and the other a 19kg Calor , which one was leaking I
 dont know , but it was 

So I am left with the assumption that it is indeed a lottery with regard to safety !

I'm not willing to pay out for and run diesel , plus I'm up to payload or close to anyway , thats what you get for buying a stupidly small van  ( save you typing it Daz )   

So this winter I will either go BANG or have an immersion fitted         

[dazmond]

Immersion is the way to go for you rich I think.....obviously don't get a 3kw one and plug it in to a 13 pin normal plug socket or else you 'll run the risk of melting your plugs like candle wax ....

[nathankaye]

Immersion is the way to go for you rich I think.....obviously don't get a 3kw one and plug it in to a 13 pin normal plug socket or else you 'll run the risk of melting your plugs like candle wax ....

This could be my naivety,  but I would have thought everyone knows not to just plug in a 3kw heater on a normal 13amp plug etc.
But saying that, I thought I had an opportunity to build wfp trolleys n sell them because people just didn't have the time to do so themselves haha a bit like how we can clean windows because they can't be bothered to do so themselves.  But it turns out that a lot of people would get confused a out simple wiring and quick fixes and it then became an headache to consider doing.   

[Pete Thompson]

Has anyone considered the risk of legionella with immersion heaters?

Apparently it thrives in the 20-50 degree range, especially in water that has been dechlorinated (RO carbon prefilters remove the chlorine)

IMO this is an accident waiting to happen, and then you’d get a lot of publicity for all the wrong reasons.

They take legionella outbreaks very seriously and investigate them vigorously. I remember reading about a case a few years ago that involved criminal charges.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-40479742

[Jonny 87]

Has anyone considered the risk of legionella with immersion heaters?

Apparently it thrives in the 20-50 degree range, especially in water that has been dechlorinated (RO carbon prefilters remove the chlorine)

IMO this is an accident waiting to happen, and then you’d get a lot of publicity for all the wrong reasons.

They take legionella outbreaks very seriously and investigate them vigorously. I remember reading about a case a few years ago that involved criminal charges.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-40479742

This has been mentioned lots over the years, but I think it’s scaremainering. I’ve nrver heard an issue with window cleaners.

Doesn’t legionnaires only occur in sealed units? Like in air conditioning units and swimming pools. Window cleaners are constantly replacing the water with fresh, and nothing is left stagnant.