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geefree

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tap or standing scource
« on: June 12, 2006, 08:35:54 pm »
hi all.
can anyone please tell me which is the most powerful and quickest way to clean block paving... from a barrel or tap...i have tried both... but whilst i am doing it from the butt i cant help but think the tap in any particular house may be better,, other than keep changing everything over i dont know.
i have two turbo nozzles one works better than the other even though it spins slower. and also differs with tap and barrel.... i find myself going home after a job and swapping thing,s trying different ways.. think im getting obsessed lol!...also with a butt there is a lot of messing around with three hoses and dragging things around.... only been doing this 3 month, i have a honda 9hp around 13 litres per min...can any of you experienced guys help.
thanks.
gary.

John Kelly

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 08:43:37 pm »
The only reason to use a barrel is because the tap pressure isn't adequate to operate the machine.

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2006, 08:46:23 pm »
hi thanks for reply,
would you just take the barrel to collect water from pump on lance down.
cheers

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 10:30:35 am »
each time lance down water pumps out, i understand the interpumps are better, but its a pain either to leave it or direct it... lol. whinge over !!

John Kelly

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 05:26:06 pm »
Can't say I've come across this before. Where does the water pump from? May be possible to set up some kind of re-circulation pipework.

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 09:04:54 pm »
hi if i was using a butt, it would be pumped straight back into it when i put the lance down,.. which is brill as not destroying the pump seals etc.... but if i dont use a barrel it just pumps  wherever i  stand the machine... freely ...when i release the trigger.. so just use a bit of hose to direct it.

drivewasher

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 11:00:25 am »
Hi, gazzasp8,

You've got whats called an externall by-pass arrangement, this is the best way to do it, a pressure washer pump has to expell ALL the water it takes in, that's how we get high pressures, when you let go of the trigger the underloader valve traps the line pressure in the high pressure lines, as no water can flow it has to go somewhere so the underloader goes into by-pass and sends water out down the hose you have going back to bin, or if tou use a tap onto the floor.

Some machines have an internal by-pass where that hose you have goes back into the inlet to the pump, and water goes round and round instead of out. The BIG dissadvantage of the internal by-pass as the pump creates high compression it heats the small quantity of water going round and round the pump whilst in by-pass mode. This hot water gets hotter and hotter and damages pump pistons and seals very quickly (5 mins or so) very expensive to fix OUCH! So you have the best system as you can leave your pump in by-pass for a very long time possibly hours as pump will have to heat all the dust bin full of water up enough to do any damage, even on a tap the water will never get hot.

As regards the bin versus tap, ALWAYS use the bin (suction method) as there is no question of water flow IE there is water or there isn't. If your machine  is 15 litres an min (15L l/m ) then it needs 15 l/m it can take this from your bin if the customers tap doesn't deliver 15 l/m then the bin will empty eventually.
Shortage of water flow will also seriously damage your pump it causes cavitation which is small explosions in the water, you can sometimes feel these as vibrations in the high pressure pipes and pump makes more noise than usuall. You won't know if your customers tap is delivering 16 l/m OR 14.5 l/m particulry when washing machine comes on, even the non return valve required by law now in garded taps reduces the flow!

Honest trust me I'm a doctor!
I'm always in the poo, it's just the depth that varies

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2006, 09:57:57 pm »
Hi machine doctor,
Wow ! that was some explanation, very informative and very useful advice, which i thank you very much for.

I feel better knowing i have a good machine, and will use the barrel from here on, even though i hate dragging two containers around lol.

thank you.

Gazza.

drivewasher

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2006, 09:59:59 am »
Why do you drag 2 containers around???
I'm always in the poo, it's just the depth that varies

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2006, 10:30:02 am »
one for the water pumping out (unless ok to run free) and a barrell for instead of tap.... as mine is  trolly not van mounted

drivewasher

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2006, 09:05:42 pm »
You just put the by-pass outlet hose in the bin your sucking from. No need for seperate bin, just use one!
All you need to do is, use tie wraps to gently secure suction and by-pass hoses to keep them together, end the by-pass one about 6 or 8 inches up from suction filter it'll be ok like that
I'm always in the poo, it's just the depth that varies

geefree

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Re: tap or standing scource
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 10:33:16 pm »
sorry had a drink when i said two barrels lol.... good
 idea to tie them together tho,
cheers again.
gary.