[P @ F]

Another stab here , could it be that PPB water is just too clean , i saw once that pure water actually attracts the dirt , so the purer the more attractive it could be , prob just wrong BUT who knows ?   

[tlwcs]

Hi Men (and you Granville).

All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).

Why on earth would you connect two pumps to one hose?

More flow.

Aren't you governed by the size of the hose for flow?

[nathankaye]

What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.

Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.

Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals.   But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)

[tony day]

What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.

Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.

Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals.   But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)

So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...? 

[8weekly]

What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.

Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.

Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals.   But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)

So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?

Are you using fan jets?

[tony day]

What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.

Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.

Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals.   But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)

So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?

Are you using fan jets?

Yep.

[8weekly]

What brush are you using? As not all brushes are for rinsing on the glass.

Im with everyone else on the over kill with two pumps on the one hose. Totally not understanding that one, as people clean upto some great heights with just the one pump.

Ever since ive switched over 2yrs back ive rinsed on the glass. Ive found that if the windows have spotted its down to two things (in my residential areas) either user error or bad window seals.   But if you become aware of the latter and you still get spotting then its user error for not adjusting how you clean those windows.
(Could argue 3rd reason being dust in wind or somebody working (grinding etc) in area but this is too obvious to say i suppose)

So to rinse on the glass everyone you need it be... not windy, dusty, no building work in the road, and hope the seals are good order. What city or town is that then...?

Are you using fan jets?

Yep.

Must just be technique then. we can't all be wrong can we? 

[Spruce]

We have fan jets on one of our brushes.

There are a couple of customers whose windows are full of white spots after cleaning with fan jets rinsing off the glass. We haven't had the same issue when using pencil jets.

I just don't believe we get a good enough concentrated flow of water down the glass to rinse the dirt off using fan jets.  I did a commercial job yesterday and used the fan jetted brush. The windows dried fine but I had difficulty rinsing the grit off the windows. When I swapped jets over the pencils did a quicker and better job on a couple of the windows.

That job usually takes me an hour and a half. Its taken me that length of time for the past 10 years. Using fans it took another 15 minutes to complete the job as rinsing took longer.

Next month I will do the job again with the same brush but will rinse with the brush on the windows and see if that is better at removing the fine grit.

We live on the coast and the influence from the sea may also be a contributory factor.
 

[nathankaye]

I think this could be a universal saging or perhaps just a british one. But a good worker doesnt blame his tools.

[Spruce]

I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.

Whilst this might be a true saying,  Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.

[nathankaye]

I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.

Whilst this might be a true saying,  Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.

Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....

[tony day]

I think this could be a universal saying or perhaps just a British one. But a good worker doesn't blame his tools.

Whilst this might be a true saying,  Alex Gardiner once said he also doesn't like working with fan jets - he prefers pencil jets.

Being a good worker knows what equipment is best suited for the task at hand. So in Alex case he wasnt blaming fan jets for doing a poor job. But simply that for his work and set up, pencil jets are more suited.
Hence a good worker doesnt blame his equipment as a good worker knows what equipment he or she needs for the job at hand.....

As a modular thinker i assess all aspects of what could go wrong and why it's going wrong, and try every method to correct it! I'm not a lazy thinker or worker who has his pumps on full blast thinking well the DIRT DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE ATTITUDE! Any chance of a  video Nathaniel! Or what brush should a sceptic be using?

[nathankaye]

The set up which works well for my situations is;
500 litres of water (pre heated with an immersion heater and water at start of day at 68 degrees c. Stored in a well insullated tank and it holds it temp all day.

It pumps out using one pump a sureflow 100psi pump via a pure freedom digi controller.  For maximum heat at the brush end, i have a flow rate of 80.

Brush:  i use a dual trim slime line mono filament  brush with four pencil jets (which i have posted pictures on here plus a video to show the hot water,)
Its a heavier brush, but personally i like the weight and also little spread of the brush.
Because the brush doesnt spread, the filaments dont disturb the seal and i can run the brush along the top of the window to cut in (trad term i suppose)  once that is washed along with the frames i concentrate on the window and the rinse is just below the top seal. Due to hot water and a higher flow and i clean every four weeks, mostly it only requires one agitation on the glass and then rinse. But on a flow of 80, the firt pass is a scrub and rinse in itself then followed by a second rinse.

Provided the frames are clean and your technique is good,  ive not had a complaint yet and yes many a times in first yr of switching over i was paranoid about the cleans and as im fortunate to clean house after house on the same street. I often went back after windows had time to dry to check the results. Ive not been let down yet

[tony day]

The set up which works well for my situations is;
500 litres of water (pre heated with an immersion heater and water at start of day at 68 degrees c. Stored in a well insullated tank and it holds it temp all day.

It pumps out using one pump a sureflow 100psi pump via a pure freedom digi controller.  For maximum heat at the brush end, i have a flow rate of 80.

Brush:  i use a dual trim slime line mono filament  brush with four pencil jets (which i have posted pictures on here plus a video to show the hot water,)
Its a heavier brush, but personally i like the weight and also little spread of the brush.
Because the brush doesnt spread, the filaments dont disturb the seal and i can run the brush along the top of the window to cut in (trad term i suppose)  once that is washed along with the frames i concentrate on the window and the rinse is just below the top seal. Due to hot water and a higher flow and i clean every four weeks, mostly it only requires one agitation on the glass and then rinse. But on a flow of 80, the firt pass is a scrub and rinse in itself then followed by a second rinse.

Provided the frames are clean and your technique is good,  ive not had a complaint yet and yes many a times in first yr of switching over i was paranoid about the cleans and as im fortunate to clean house after house on the same street. I often went back after windows had time to dry to check the results. Ive not been let down yet

Thanks for that interpretation. All sounds great on black and white but in reality a video or link would of been much better! 

[Tosh]

Hi Men (and you Granville).

All this talk about rinsing on the glass has got me thinking...... IT CANNOT BE DONE!! I have tried so many ways, two pumps to one hose, fan jets, stiff brush, ect.... and i use 0PPB! Spots, Spots, Everywhere! Any chance of a video...? ( those that preach).

Two pumps to one hose ?? Care to explain?

Y piece.

Any better in getting water out the brush quicker?

[windowswashed]

Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique

[nathankaye]

Yep, down to the operator......
However i understand not all brushes are suitable for rinsing on as some brushes trap the dirt in and so if your rinsing  with brush on, the water will be running over and diluting the dirt back onto the windows n thus causing spotting.
But then a good tradesman would know this. So the saying has to be correct

[tony day]

Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique

All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?

[8weekly]

Nearly always rinse brush on as it's quicker and no problems working when it's windy. Would have more problems working on a windy day with rinse off method. It's quicker working rinse on and less tiring or straining. Why on earth would one work rinse off, ...it's harder work, slower and doesn't clean half as good. It doesn't matter too much what brush or jets you use, it's just down to a good technique

All this talk about technique. Any chance of a video then..?

So, you clean the a window rinsing on and it spots. Do you then reclean the same window rinsing off or do you clean two windows - one rinsed on and one off?

[stracey]

Rinse on with monophimont bristlle brush, pensil jets, rinse from on the top frame down, no compliants in 11 years trading, speed 3 propak,ps any propaks for sale?