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sunshine windows

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2017, 09:15:33 am »
Why go after big time commercial?

Oi, leave Swindon out of it, I've got it covered.  ;D

Personal taste Lee. Domestics do my nut.


Wanna get established in Basingstoke? Could be the start of your mid-southern hub. A stepping-stone into the South Midlands and Bristol. Ive got 8K of domestic work to offload  ;)


Newbury, Andover, Oxford, Reading, Bournemouth, Swindon, Bristol, Cardiff, Bath, Southampton. All heaving with lucrative domestic clients gagging for a London based window washer.
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Mick Kent

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2017, 08:37:25 am »
Commercial work is worthless, seen so many big guys fall cos of ruthless under cutting and rubbish cleaning.   Domestic work is worth ten times as much imho .

Agreed, we do so much commercial around london direct and via subcontracting, i also resub loads out too, its all about the undercut, so much work gets lost to being undercut but can win lots of work by undercutting the competition yourself! Can still get a top day rate, some weeks we hit more doing office and blocks than doing a full month of domestic and believe me my domestic work is perfectly priced but you can always get burnt and are never appretiated at all as they are always looking for the next guy to save them 5-10 percent.
I too am slowly at the mo building a massive domestic business up, lucky no need for big TV advertising or leaflet drops as im out canvassing as a team leader with 3 others doing 4-5 eves a week 5.30-7.30  building up  something totally different that coins it in as much as windows but also doubling it up gaining domestic customers too when im local which i see as a lovely little perk of the job :-) The canvassing im doing requires us to bingo card everything so everyone gets hit and my god its bringing in some close decent work.
Very soon ill be subbing everything Commercial without chasing or taking on anymore and give another go at employing on domestic with everything direct debit/go cardless which i think is the BIG game changer that will make it work without the need to be chasing debts all the time feeling down and low finding wages and all other costs before any profit with that feeling always in my head of "ill be better off as a 1 man business with next to no overheads or stress".
I think Lee has nailed it, with everyone on standing order/go cardless all he needs to do is manage the leaflet/canvassing and all the other customer generating ways he has, and the business simply builds itself! All new vans and equipment so no real worry of anything going wrong and losing profit, all he needs is good  reliable staff which you get by showing respect and not taking the p which a decent day/hourly rate with a shinny new van that can be used for average personal use helps big time, all he needs to do is watch his money come in and make sure his guys are all working as they should via tracker. I find it hard to convince existing customers to go cardless sadly but I'm finding all new ones if told at the start after the first clean are pretty easy.
So far on paper it looks pretty easy to smash it up on the domestic side and do well out of it! I did it before and did ok apart from always having to chase debt day after day which got me so stressed out that i decided to sell and go commercial and retail which has been good but im ready to go again, without the headaches of chasing debt so much its a big game changer that i believe will work much better this time.
Im going to hit London by storm...Watch this space  ;)


k.diver

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2017, 09:14:26 am »
surely the leaflets are more cost effective

or does 1 ad [at say £10000 quid)   bring in 100 customers?   the mind boggles

 imagine sayin to the lads on monday morning, "iv ran it again chums // you havnt?  / i have  and on this slip of paper here youve an extra 100 to slot in, im orf back to the office cheerio "

Lee Pryor

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2017, 09:19:37 am »
Commercial work is worthless, seen so many big guys fall cos of ruthless under cutting and rubbish cleaning.   Domestic work is worth ten times as much imho .

Agreed, we do so much commercial around london direct and via subcontracting, i also resub loads out too, its all about the undercut, so much work gets lost to being undercut but can win lots of work by undercutting the competition yourself! Can still get a top day rate, some weeks we hit more doing office and blocks than doing a full month of domestic and believe me my domestic work is perfectly priced but you can always get burnt and are never appretiated at all as they are always looking for the next guy to save them 5-10 percent.
I too am slowly at the mo building a massive domestic business up, lucky no need for big TV advertising or leaflet drops as im out canvassing as a team leader with 3 others doing 4-5 eves a week 5.30-7.30  building up  something totally different that coins it in as much as windows but also doubling it up gaining domestic customers too when im local which i see as a lovely little perk of the job :-) The canvassing im doing requires us to bingo card everything so everyone gets hit and my god its bringing in some close decent work.
Very soon ill be subbing everything Commercial without chasing or taking on anymore and give another go at employing on domestic with everything direct debit/go cardless which i think is the BIG game changer that will make it work without the need to be chasing debts all the time feeling down and low finding wages and all other costs before any profit with that feeling always in my head of "ill be better off as a 1 man business with next to no overheads or stress".
I think Lee has nailed it, with everyone on standing order/go cardless all he needs to do is manage the leaflet/canvassing and all the other customer generating ways he has, and the business simply builds itself! All new vans and equipment so no real worry of anything going wrong and losing profit, all he needs is good  reliable staff which you get by showing respect and not taking the p which a decent day/hourly rate with a shinny new van that can be used for average personal use helps big time, all he needs to do is watch his money come in and make sure his guys are all working as they should via tracker. I find it hard to convince existing customers to go cardless sadly but I'm finding all new ones if told at the start after the first clean are pretty easy.
So far on paper it looks pretty easy to smash it up on the domestic side and do well out of it! I did it before and did ok apart from always having to chase debt day after day which got me so stressed out that i decided to sell and go commercial and retail which has been good but im ready to go again, without the headaches of chasing debt so much its a big game changer that i believe will work much better this time.
Im going to hit London by storm...Watch this space  ;)

Good post mick
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

Lee Pryor

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2017, 09:20:56 am »
surely the leaflets are more cost effective

or does 1 ad [at say £10000 quid)   bring in 100 customers?   the mind boggles

 imagine sayin to the lads on monday morning, "iv ran it again chums // you havnt?  / i have  and on this slip of paper here youve an extra 100 to slot in, im orf back to the office cheerio "

😂
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2017, 01:16:38 pm »
I'm steadily developing a nice residential business up north, we don't touch commercial unless they come to us.  Good work Lee and Mick, it's amazing what's achievable with goals, plans and action. Keep up the good work!

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2017, 05:59:13 pm »
Poor Lee Pryor seemingly can't open his mouth without people having ago and trying to belittle him. The guys done well get over it for God's sake. I never thought you could make a scaleable business doing mostly domestic Windows but I was wrong.  Can't knock the bloke can you and alot of people on here could do well to listen to his advice instead of mocking it.  Hats off from me Mr Pryor and keep good work up ignore the jealous haters !!

R
here here well said I would love to meet up with him for a chat as we cant seem to go from 3 vans full time and I think we stuck in the rut of being happy , I like his push forward like the other big guy in the south east mr t.l.c. with 20 vans out daily well done them I say

STEVE-UK

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2017, 06:29:09 pm »
Commercial work is worthless, seen so many big guys fall cos of ruthless under cutting and rubbish cleaning.   Domestic work is worth ten times as much imho .

Agreed, we do so much commercial around london direct and via subcontracting, i also resub loads out too, its all about the undercut, so much work gets lost to being undercut but can win lots of work by undercutting the competition yourself! Can still get a top day rate, some weeks we hit more doing office and blocks than doing a full month of domestic and believe me my domestic work is perfectly priced but you can always get burnt and are never appretiated at all as they are always looking for the next guy to save them 5-10 percent.
I too am slowly at the mo building a massive domestic business up, lucky no need for big TV advertising or leaflet drops as im out canvassing as a team leader with 3 others doing 4-5 eves a week 5.30-7.30  building up  something totally different that coins it in as much as windows but also doubling it up gaining domestic customers too when im local which i see as a lovely little perk of the job :-) The canvassing im doing requires us to bingo card everything so everyone gets hit and my god its bringing in some close decent work.
Very soon ill be subbing everything Commercial without chasing or taking on anymore and give another go at employing on domestic with everything direct debit/go cardless which i think is the BIG game changer that will make it work without the need to be chasing debts all the time feeling down and low finding wages and all other costs before any profit with that feeling always in my head of "ill be better off as a 1 man business with next to no overheads or stress".
I think Lee has nailed it, with everyone on standing order/go cardless all he needs to do is manage the leaflet/canvassing and all the other customer generating ways he has, and the business simply builds itself! All new vans and equipment so no real worry of anything going wrong and losing profit, all he needs is good  reliable staff which you get by showing respect and not taking the p which a decent day/hourly rate with a shinny new van that can be used for average personal use helps big time, all he needs to do is watch his money come in and make sure his guys are all working as they should via tracker. I find it hard to convince existing customers to go cardless sadly but I'm finding all new ones if told at the start after the first clean are pretty easy.
So far on paper it looks pretty easy to smash it up on the domestic side and do well out of it! I did it before and did ok apart from always having to chase debt day after day which got me so stressed out that i decided to sell and go commercial and retail which has been good but im ready to go again, without the headaches of chasing debt so much its a big game changer that i believe will work much better this time.
Im going to hit London by storm...Watch this space  ;)

Bang on the money  Mick, there is good money to be made with commercial, One van, 1000 litre tanks, 2 men crews turn over decent day rate, I currently operate 33% commercial, this seems to work for us,
I no longer chase commercial work as you can loose it as quick as you pick them up

Don Simon

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2017, 02:01:43 am »
Commercial work is worthless, seen so many big guys fall cos of ruthless under cutting and rubbish cleaning.   Domestic work is worth ten times as much imho .

Agreed, we do so much commercial around london direct and via subcontracting, i also resub loads out too, its all about the undercut, so much work gets lost to being undercut but can win lots of work by undercutting the competition yourself! Can still get a top day rate, some weeks we hit more doing office and blocks than doing a full month of domestic and believe me my domestic work is perfectly priced but you can always get burnt and are never appretiated at all as they are always looking for the next guy to save them 5-10 percent.
I too am slowly at the mo building a massive domestic business up, lucky no need for big TV advertising or leaflet drops as im out canvassing as a team leader with 3 others doing 4-5 eves a week 5.30-7.30  building up  something totally different that coins it in as much as windows but also doubling it up gaining domestic customers too when im local which i see as a lovely little perk of the job :-) The canvassing im doing requires us to bingo card everything so everyone gets hit and my god its bringing in some close decent work.
Very soon ill be subbing everything Commercial without chasing or taking on anymore and give another go at employing on domestic with everything direct debit/go cardless which i think is the BIG game changer that will make it work without the need to be chasing debts all the time feeling down and low finding wages and all other costs before any profit with that feeling always in my head of "ill be better off as a 1 man business with next to no overheads or stress".
I think Lee has nailed it, with everyone on standing order/go cardless all he needs to do is manage the leaflet/canvassing and all the other customer generating ways he has, and the business simply builds itself! All new vans and equipment so no real worry of anything going wrong and losing profit, all he needs is good  reliable staff which you get by showing respect and not taking the p which a decent day/hourly rate with a shinny new van that can be used for average personal use helps big time, all he needs to do is watch his money come in and make sure his guys are all working as they should via tracker. I find it hard to convince existing customers to go cardless sadly but I'm finding all new ones if told at the start after the first clean are pretty easy.
So far on paper it looks pretty easy to smash it up on the domestic side and do well out of it! I did it before and did ok apart from always having to chase debt day after day which got me so stressed out that i decided to sell and go commercial and retail which has been good but im ready to go again, without the headaches of chasing debt so much its a big game changer that i believe will work much better this time.
Im going to hit London by storm...Watch this space  ;)
Come up north and show me the money !
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness.

Don Simon

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2017, 02:05:24 am »
Commercial work is worthless, seen so many big guys fall cos of ruthless under cutting and rubbish cleaning.   Domestic work is worth ten times as much imho .

Agreed, we do so much commercial around london direct and via subcontracting, i also resub loads out too, its all about the undercut, so much work gets lost to being undercut but can win lots of work by undercutting the competition yourself! Can still get a top day rate, some weeks we hit more doing office and blocks than doing a full month of domestic and believe me my domestic work is perfectly priced but you can always get burnt and are never appretiated at all as they are always looking for the next guy to save them 5-10 percent.
I too am slowly at the mo building a massive domestic business up, lucky no need for big TV advertising or leaflet drops as im out canvassing as a team leader with 3 others doing 4-5 eves a week 5.30-7.30  building up  something totally different that coins it in as much as windows but also doubling it up gaining domestic customers too when im local which i see as a lovely little perk of the job :-) The canvassing im doing requires us to bingo card everything so everyone gets hit and my god its bringing in some close decent work.
Very soon ill be subbing everything Commercial without chasing or taking on anymore and give another go at employing on domestic with everything direct debit/go cardless which i think is the BIG game changer that will make it work without the need to be chasing debts all the time feeling down and low finding wages and all other costs before any profit with that feeling always in my head of "ill be better off as a 1 man business with next to no overheads or stress".
I think Lee has nailed it, with everyone on standing order/go cardless all he needs to do is manage the leaflet/canvassing and all the other customer generating ways he has, and the business simply builds itself! All new vans and equipment so no real worry of anything going wrong and losing profit, all he needs is good  reliable staff which you get by showing respect and not taking the p which a decent day/hourly rate with a shinny new van that can be used for average personal use helps big time, all he needs to do is watch his money come in and make sure his guys are all working as they should via tracker. I find it hard to convince existing customers to go cardless sadly but I'm finding all new ones if told at the start after the first clean are pretty easy.
So far on paper it looks pretty easy to smash it up on the domestic side and do well out of it! I did it before and did ok apart from always having to chase debt day after day which got me so stressed out that i decided to sell and go commercial and retail which has been good but im ready to go again, without the headaches of chasing debt so much its a big game changer that i believe will work much better this time.
Im going to hit London by storm...Watch this space  ;)

Good post mick
I admire you're drive and enthusiasm, I lost it a few years ago.   You will be successful in whatever you do, but remember to most of all enjoy it and be happy.        When that stops you have to move on.     Al the best Lee.
Guard well within yourself that treasure, kindness. Know how to give without hesitation, how to lose without regret, how to acquire without meanness.

slap bash

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2017, 04:18:59 pm »
Domestics dont need to do my nut because I never see or speak to them. I am only interested in the money per head per day.

I have no plans to expand our area any further or to set up another base. I only ever wanted a 10ish van business in the south east.

 The big shark has not taken the Bate/man but decided to taken his chances by doing a mass drop in our patch. It`s a difficult shot dropping so many leaflets and find out they will not give the return he will hope for. You will need to make Prior arrangement in this area. Matt, Lee does not buy  rounds he prefers to poach them.

Perfect Windows

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2017, 05:16:12 pm »
Dropping leaflets = poaching?  Interesting.

Vin

Lee Pryor

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2017, 06:56:27 pm »
Domestics dont need to do my nut because I never see or speak to them. I am only interested in the money per head per day.

I have no plans to expand our area any further or to set up another base. I only ever wanted a 10ish van business in the south east.

 The big shark has not taken the Bate/man but decided to taken his chances by doing a mass drop in our patch. It`s a difficult shot dropping so many leaflets and find out they will not give the return he will hope for. You will need to make Prior arrangement in this area. Matt, Lee does not buy  rounds he prefers to poach them.

That is possibly the most idiotic post I have read in relation to me.

You dont have a "patch" neither do I. I can decide where we want to work wether you like it or not.

Dropping leaflets with our prices in and letting the customer decide who they use is about as far from poaching as it gets.

If I drove round that area knoching on doors asking people if they use you and undercutting your price that would be poaching!

Believe me the return we are getting is just fine thanks.

Bottom line is you feel threatend................GOOD!
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

slap bash

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2017, 06:52:48 am »
This post might idiotic to you, but using your vast financial muscle to flood an area is a business challenge to small business. It amazes me how"the big boy" don`t like it when the small cleaners fight back. Who gave you the moral high ground to tell me what is idiotic. All you do on here is brag how big you are and have all the wanabee marvel at your image and try to bask in your shadow as if it might dust off on them. Well, you don`t impress me one bit. You ego exceeds your image.
I am sure you will come back with something to try and put me down, but it will not work.  I am thick skinned
and know how to deal with big deals like you. I have read your posts for many years and am sick every time I read about the "great I am" and what car I drive. You are nothing but self-indulgent. There is so much we small cleaner can do to challenge your lavish advertising. You are no threat to me . Threat no! challenge yes.!

Dave Willis

Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2017, 07:14:42 am »
Interesting thread. I seem to remember Lee had to sell his home and live with mum and dad to fund the business. I'd love to see the figures. Personally I'd prefer to keep my home and go without the stress.

Stoots

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2017, 08:54:57 am »
Interesting thread. I seem to remember Lee had to sell his home and live with mum and dad to fund the business. I'd love to see the figures. Personally I'd prefer to keep my home and go without the stress.



Me too. But the winners in life are the ones who risk it all.

Nothing at all wrong with living a stress free happy life. That's what I want.

That's why success is a double edge sword. 

Lee Pryor

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2017, 11:17:23 am »
This post might idiotic to you, but using your vast financial muscle to flood an area is a business challenge to small business. It amazes me how"the big boy" don`t like it when the small cleaners fight back. Who gave you the moral high ground to tell me what is idiotic. All you do on here is brag how big you are and have all the wanabee marvel at your image and try to bask in your shadow as if it might dust off on them. Well, you don`t impress me one bit. You ego exceeds your image.
I am sure you will come back with something to try and put me down, but it will not work.  I am thick skinned
and know how to deal with big deals like you. I have read your posts for many years and am sick every time I read about the "great I am" and what car I drive. You are nothing but self-indulgent. There is so much we small cleaner can do to challenge your lavish advertising. You are no threat to me . Threat no! challenge yes.!

Blah blah big small, big small.

I started my business from nothing with a bucket and ladder for less than £200 I didn't even know what a reach system was and didn't have a forum to teach me everything!

My point is you or anyone could have done the things I have done. I had no help, no loans from a bank, no rich family, nothing apart from the drive to grow my business. I have worked damn hard for a very long time.

Why should us cleaning in areas you do be a challenge? Don't you have your established round already? If so whats your problem? Worried your customers might dump you and come to us? If that's true then that's your fault not mine.

We can work where we want. So can you. If I want a business with 100 vans that's up to me and doesn't make me a bad person! Just as you or anyone else wanting a stress free life as a single operator doesn't make you wrong or bad.

I really think you should just man up and worry more about yourself rather than what I am doing.
The best way to predict the future is to create it.

slap bash

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2017, 11:30:32 am »
 You are quite right you can work where you like. What we don`t need is your bragging on here how amazing you are.Even your video has to show your car not once but twice,  now if that`s not bragging. I am saying what so many think on here but too polite to say. Mr big deal Brag ass.

Shrek

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2017, 02:29:34 pm »
If you want to be successful, find someone who has achieved the results you want and copy what they do and you'll achieve the same results

Tosh

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Re: Is Lee Pryor taking over 😆
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2017, 05:06:20 pm »
Thats not necessarily true.
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