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p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 07:07:06 pm »

hank jr

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hank jr

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hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 07:44:14 pm »
Best to see what it roughly is really. I find if you get these basic things done it helps in choosing what's best going to work for you and save money in the long run instead of just splashing out on a load of equipment then finding things could have been done better/cheaper. Ive probably wasted £1000s over the years ( and i bet others have) to end up with the system etc i have today.

Thanks for your help, i will be back tomorrow with my pressure.  ;)

hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2017, 03:24:39 pm »
OK , got my pressure meter today.
Here is reading before kitchen tap is on.

hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2017, 03:25:18 pm »
And this is with kitchen tap on

p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2017, 03:53:43 pm »
Thats not a bad mains pressure a lot better then mine was, whats your flow rate?

hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2017, 04:05:46 pm »
Thats not a bad mains pressure a lot better then mine was, whats your flow rate?

I dont know? How do i find out?

p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2017, 04:10:46 pm »
just run the tap for a minute and measure it  ;D, ..you just need to know how many litres a minute you roughly get.

hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2017, 04:32:50 pm »
Can you see the water level?
I think its about 6 liters a min  ???


p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2017, 05:42:42 pm »
thats pretty low.
How much pure water are you wanting a day for work?

hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2017, 05:51:08 pm »
thats pretty low.
How much pure water are you wanting a day for work?

350 lites should do it...

slap bash

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2017, 06:18:47 pm »
What I did due to space is link four 100 litre water butts and so I can fit them into my shed. It takes up very little space the links I got off e-bay and joined the at a level where my hand could reach them. The joints are plastic fitting.

p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2017, 06:45:16 pm »
Well it depends on your budget and if you want to future proof things to what system you get they all have their pro's and con's. If it was me i would go for a 40/40 or 40/21 system. You can also get the cheaper 300gpd systems any of the above are going to make enough water for you.

Ive had both in the past 300gpd system and now currently a 40/40 system and the 40/40 is far better in my opinion and is the common one most people probably use.
Pro's for the 40/40 or 40/21 (all the numbers reflect the size of the membrane 40/40 is a 40 inch membrane 40/21 21 inch membrane)
They are easy to setup you have 1 pipe going in at 1 end and 2 at the other (1 for the pure and 1 for the waste water) all half inch hose.
They are very efficient and can produce water quickly
Its easier to narrow down any problems you might come across then the 300gpd ones
Cons, they are more expensive to buy and the membranes cost more to replace (although maintained properly it should last you years for the amount of water you want to use)
The 350gpd ones are pretty cheap and will still still make enough water for you but they are not as efficient and ive just found in the past with the smaller 1/4 inch tubing and the need for 3 membranes connected together if you have issues its sometimes harder to narrow any faults down.
Also because your tds is high the 40/40's tend to get your tds lower then a 300gpd before it goes into your di resin (so saving on resin over the year).
For example in my old lock up my tds was about 385ppm and the 300gpd r/o got the tds down to roughly about 25-30ppm before going into the di resin, in my new lock up my tds is 560-600 and my 40/40 gets the tds down to 17ppm before di vessel.

if you go here http://www.daqua.co.uk/ro_systems.htm you will see all 3 systems mentioned above and what they roughly cost.

Also take into account if you're on a water meter,  with your high tds you will need to set your pure to waste ratio to around 65% -70% waste to 30-35% pure so basically every 100lt of mains water going into your membrane you will only make about 30-35lt of pure the rest goes down the drain. You could set it to say 50/50 but that just means you're going to work your membrane harder so it wont last as long, so you need to see which way is more cost effective for you.

All those systems come with the 2 pre filters you will need before the water goes into your membrane (1 sediment and 1 carbon filter) these are to protect your membrane. The sediment is self explanatory it catches any bits of sediment the carbon one removes the chlorine etc in the water that can kill the membrane. Both need changing from time to time depending on how much mains water goes through them but there not that expensive (but important). Personally i have the sediment filter in a clear housing as its easy then to see when it needs changing without having to take the filter out (as it starts turning green).
Once you've decided which one your edging towards best to ring them up and they will be really helpfull.
there is this place ( very helpful guy and wont sell you want you dont need) http://www.daqua.co.uk/ro_systems.htm
A company called gaps water same as above very helpful and know there stuff too. Personally i find daqua slightly cheaper.
It would also be best to mention your pressure and flow rate to them as im not sure if you may need a booster pump your pressure is good (55psi) and probably suitable but r/o membranes work best at about 80psi.

You will also need a d/i resin bottle to bring your tds to 0 (this goes in between your holding tank and the pure outlet on your membrane and a bag of DI resin (an 11lt vessel would be ok for you, ideally to help the resin last longer its better to have 2 but not a necessity and dont worry about that right now). 

Just to add you could also use any of these systems set up in your van too.

Hope that wasn't to confusing, any questions fire away (the above is just my opinion and findings from experience)

 
 


hank jr

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2017, 08:37:21 pm »
Well it depends on your budget and if you want to future proof things to what system you get they all have their pro's and con's. If it was me i would go for a 40/40 or 40/21 system. You can also get the cheaper 300gpd systems any of the above are going to make enough water for you.

Ive had both in the past 300gpd system and now currently a 40/40 system and the 40/40 is far better in my opinion and is the common one most people probably use.
Pro's for the 40/40 or 40/21 (all the numbers reflect the size of the membrane 40/40 is a 40 inch membrane 40/21 21 inch membrane)
They are easy to setup you have 1 pipe going in at 1 end and 2 at the other (1 for the pure and 1 for the waste water) all half inch hose.
They are very efficient and can produce water quickly
Its easier to narrow down any problems you might come across then the 300gpd ones
Cons, they are more expensive to buy and the membranes cost more to replace (although maintained properly it should last you years for the amount of water you want to use)
The 350gpd ones are pretty cheap and will still still make enough water for you but they are not as efficient and ive just found in the past with the smaller 1/4 inch tubing and the need for 3 membranes connected together if you have issues its sometimes harder to narrow any faults down.
Also because your tds is high the 40/40's tend to get your tds lower then a 300gpd before it goes into your di resin (so saving on resin over the year).
For example in my old lock up my tds was about 385ppm and the 300gpd r/o got the tds down to roughly about 25-30ppm before going into the di resin, in my new lock up my tds is 560-600 and my 40/40 gets the tds down to 17ppm before di vessel.

if you go here http://www.daqua.co.uk/ro_systems.htm you will see all 3 systems mentioned above and what they roughly cost.

Also take into account if you're on a water meter,  with your high tds you will need to set your pure to waste ratio to around 65% -70% waste to 30-35% pure so basically every 100lt of mains water going into your membrane you will only make about 30-35lt of pure the rest goes down the drain. You could set it to say 50/50 but that just means you're going to work your membrane harder so it wont last as long, so you need to see which way is more cost effective for you.

All those systems come with the 2 pre filters you will need before the water goes into your membrane (1 sediment and 1 carbon filter) these are to protect your membrane. The sediment is self explanatory it catches any bits of sediment the carbon one removes the chlorine etc in the water that can kill the membrane. Both need changing from time to time depending on how much mains water goes through them but there not that expensive (but important). Personally i have the sediment filter in a clear housing as its easy then to see when it needs changing without having to take the filter out (as it starts turning green).
Once you've decided which one your edging towards best to ring them up and they will be really helpfull.
there is this place ( very helpful guy and wont sell you want you dont need) http://www.daqua.co.uk/ro_systems.htm
A company called gaps water same as above very helpful and know there stuff too. Personally i find daqua slightly cheaper.
It would also be best to mention your pressure and flow rate to them as im not sure if you may need a booster pump your pressure is good (55psi) and probably suitable but r/o membranes work best at about 80psi.

You will also need a d/i resin bottle to bring your tds to 0 (this goes in between your holding tank and the pure outlet on your membrane and a bag of DI resin (an 11lt vessel would be ok for you, ideally to help the resin last longer its better to have 2 but not a necessity and dont worry about that right now). 

Just to add you could also use any of these systems set up in your van too.

Hope that wasn't to confusing, any questions fire away (the above is just my opinion and findings from experience)

 
 

Well that is some serious time consuming help you just gave there. Thanks very much for taking the time to write all this.

So would I be better buying my equipment here rather than pure freedom? Is the quality just as good with either company?

p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2017, 08:52:13 pm »
Yeah there all much the same..
Pure Freedom
Gaps Water
Daqua
These are all reputable companies that sell good quality systems (probably all the same). Personally i use Doug at Daqua and still get my resin from him nowadays. Always next day delivery i've found, and seemed the cheapest for the 40/40 systems also few years back had an issue with a faulty membrane for the 300gpd system and it was replaced next day no questions asked to keep me running.
But any of the above will give you good advice really just personal preference.
Just to add there are 2 main types of membrane hf4 and hf5 i would tend to go with the hf5 as this works best at around 80psi where as the hf4 needs to be around 100psi i believe to work best. I find the Axeon made membranes ones are of a very good quality.
As your water pressure is around 55psi then the hf5 will be the closest suited but i would ask them in regards to your flow rate if a booster pump is needed. I opted for a booster pump just so i could get the maximum from the membrane as my mains pressure was lower than yours.
But speak to any of the above and they will advise you best.

p1w1

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 09:25:24 pm »
May sound obvious but also bare in mind how far away your shed is from your van as your going to have to transfer the water to it. If your going to need loads of transfer hose this will take up loads of room in the shed. You could even set the system up on a sack barrow and have it fill straight into the vans tank or fit the system in your van.  Then just have a shut off solenoid so when its filled the tank it will shut the water off so the tank won't overflow ( i would get one of these anyway no matter were you put your system).  A 40/40 system would probably fill a 350lt tank in under 3 hours or less

nathankaye

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2017, 09:31:21 pm »
And ones have commented in the past how they dont find this forum helpful.
Theres plenty of great and detailed advice on here. Shame it cant be book marked somehow in the search bar for all newbies to find, as that was a good answer p1w1.

I switched over 2yrs ago and opted for the purefreedom 450 (3×150) gpd 500ltr diy system. But with tinkering and advice from here and on you tube, you soon start to pick up great advice and find your feet with it. 
I opted for this with a booster pump filling up a ibc tank mostly due to the cost of it. Im a tight yorkshireman lol.  A couple of months back i needed to replace my membranes and it only cost just over £100 to replace all 3. It was this running cost that made me pick this option.
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Shrek

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Re: Advice on setting up a water system in my shed
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2017, 10:04:48 pm »
Vyair are a fantastic company to deal with

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