[Shrek]

In that case, you would want to make as much money as you can. So charging very little and working your back side off all day, would be a whole lot better getting a good price for those sane jobs in the first place.
How long did it take you to realise that. Many a times ive priced up a job and had my hand snatched off. Then you realise that you could have asked for more and still get the job. It doesnt take long to realise that and do something about it. Its nothing to do with being snobby, its about running a business not a charity. A business so you can keep a roof over your head, food on the table and look after your family and i have a large family as ive posted in the past. So again its about mind set, even for the ones building a round. Yes i have four well established rounds, but i get enquiries from word of mouth in new areas. Now do i go in cheap to get established and build a new round. NOT at all, i go in with confidence of my service and reputation and get the price i want.  Which is just the same as a newbie in your example starting off. No difference in my mind and if i and others can do it, tben newbies in compact rounds can do it as well. That is my point..

You make a good point.... any chance you could do bullet points next time as it would save me half hour of reading every time you post lmao 😂   

[Smurf]

In a nutshell it's just a question of having the balls to ask for what you want out of a job and not be price conditioned/sell on price alone to win work. 

Higher prices = less work & more profit...  That is defo a no brainer if you ask me. 

[nathankaye]

Haha 
My wife does call me the "waffler"  lol

[Soupy]

Yes i have four well established rounds.

You have 4 rounds? Why in heck are you worried about some halfwit working for nowt?

[dave f]

why is it that just because some people may charge  less than some one else they are on benefits get a grip. that's small minded .that  reminds me I'm late signing on

[SeanK]

Wouldn't it be great if we all charged the same expensive price with no undercutting, happy days, but then what if
somebody came along said to hell with the lot of you and decided to charge more, would that make us all halfwits ?

[nathankaye]

Whats the point of running a business if not to ultimately make money, bottom line. Therefore identifying that you can charge more for property is actually meant to help encourage higher prices. 
But can see some get upset by this so lets start a thread to praise all the ones who charge a much lower price in the same target area as ones who (sorry have to laugh  ) dare i say, charge more or who dare to charge more. My back!!!

Sorry, shud have bullet pointed that 

[Shrek]

Haha 
My wife does call me the "waffler"  lol

Thoroughly  enjoyed this post 👍 Fantastic bit of writing 😂😂

[NWH]

I've never grasped how anyone can drive from where they live put fuel in there van pay TAX and everything that goes with running a business and charge the likes of £7-50,ok as said if you have a huge amount of next door to each other but if there was just 2-3 houses in a road for that amount each it's ridiculous. Some WCs will price just to get the work as we all know,I do a job for £75 but others have quoted 45-50 for it,we all have different expenses and expectations when it comes to money for jobs what's a lot for one cleaner is not enough to make ends meet for others.

[Stoots]

I've never grasped how anyone can drive from where they live put fuel in there van pay TAX and everything that goes with running a business and charge the likes of £7-50,ok as said if you have a huge amount of next door to each other but if there was just 2-3 houses in a road for that amount each it's ridiculous. Some WCs will price just to get the work as we all know,I do a job for £75 but others have quoted 45-50 for it,we all have different expenses and expectations when it comes to money for jobs what's a lot for one cleaner is not enough to make ends meet for others.

Well, not that i do it or price that low, i dont

But, to answer the question

3x 7.50 houses in 1 road = 22.50

lets assume you can do 6 roads in a day which is feasable each at 22.50

thats 130 quid or so

minus maybe a fiver in fuel

5 days a week =  625 after fuel

625 x 48 = 30 000

minus 500 on van m.ot etc
minus 300 pure water
lets say a grand miscellaneous (dont know why)
200 whatever

28 000  taxable

pay tax on 28k = 3400

leaves 24, 400 take home

or 2 grand a month

Lets say your bills come to a grand thats a grand a month in your hand

add on a bit extra for one off cash jobs that might slip thru

wheres the hardship?

[NWH]

So you work for yourself have all the expenses of running a business and expect to make wages + a profit for an average yearly wage,that's my point entirely it ain't worth it you may as well work for someone else and let them have the hassle. Not being funny but 2400 a Month isn't much if it's your own business TBH.

[Stoots]

So you work for yourself have all the expenses of running a business and expect to make wages + a profit for an average yearly wage,that's my point entirely it ain't worth it you may as well work for someone else and let them have the hassle. Not being funny but 2400 a Month isn't much if it's your own business TBH.

I understand what you are saying. And I agree I want to earn more than that I'm just saying it ain't that bad as people make out sometimes either.  It depends on your perspective because although 25k or whatever it is is supposed to be an average wage in my experience , amongst friends, the local area etc 25k is not average at all. I would say 15k is average. I have earned about 15k most of my workng life until I started my own business so I'm sure you can see looking through my eyes would see things differently. 

Overheads can be pretty minimal as well, I know we can buy brand new vans and expensive systems but d.I. y setups can be very cheap. General running costs, well my pure water costs around 200 a year, on top of that is only fuel and van maintenance. Ok theres things like buying the gear in the first place and occasionally replacing things like filters, workwear,ink et  but over the year that might only be a few hundred.

I agree there becomes a point when it's a better idea to get a job but if all the jobs that you can just walk into only pay minimum wage then 24 k isn't the threshold imo. But hey we all see the world differently depending on out circumstances so theres really bo right or wrong answer. The only thing that matters is you are happy because thats really all there is to it.

[SeanK]

Another great post Adam and fair play for keeping it sensible and insult free, thing is there's not one of us who knows for
certain if we couldn't be getting more.

[NWH]

I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.

[Stoots]

I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.

I think youve nailed it, there is a big north/south divide

My house is a 3 bed semi, i pay 600 a moth rent with my girlfriend who pays half of the bills,  So 27k up here is pretty comfortable. 

But again you say 170 a week left over like its nothing, ive lived on a lot less than that before, i would say i lived on 200 a month left over for a number of years - hence why i might look at money slightly differently to you.

[JandS]

"Higher prices = less work & more profit...  That is defo a no brainer if you ask me."

It also = less wear and tear on your equipment for the same amount of money earned.
Less wear and tear on your van for same amount earned.
Less fuel consumed.

[SeanK]

I know someone constantly saying I'm earning a good wage ie 27k a year,that's a really good wage for my job he's a manager of a sports centre. He doesn't over spend every month it's just that wage down south is not enough to live on,at the end of the month after rent and food and all bills he's left with around £170 a week to himself. There will always be a north south divide when it comes to money-earnings,someone up north could have 2 windys working with him everyday and still struggle to keep up with a soletrader on premium work down south,if your charging £10 for a house up north there's a very realistic chance you'd get 25 in the affluent areas down south and that's a fact.

I think youve nailed it, there is a big north/south divide

My house is a 3 bed semi, i pay 600 a moth rent with my girlfriend who pays half of the bills,  So 27k up here is pretty comfortable. 

But again you say 170 a week left over like its nothing, ive lived on a lot less than that before, i would say i lived on 200 a month left over for a number of years - hence why i might look at money slightly differently to you.

To be honest I don't think its anything to do with affluent areas, I work in an area where its a buyers market and the prices
reflect this, about 30 miles from me guys are  getting almost double in an area no more affluent than mine, difference is there's
a shortage of shiners and plenty of demand.
Thing is if I was at an earlier stage in my life and a bit more money hungry I could do a 60 mile round trip commute, but for
me having a handy round on my doorstep makes up for smaller but still more than acceptable turnover.

[geoffreyspecht]

I blame the old school trad cleaners myself mostly that still do it for next to bugger all 
Not only some potentials live in the past but many shiners do to. I think it's called something like price conditioning.

i find its young window cleaners that charge next to bugger  all for cleaning windows in my area.ive cleaned windows for 38 years plus