[JSMC]

Sure all the new regs kick in this month that all employers must now offer a pension scheme.

Will this be a big cost to employers?

[8weekly]

I think it's next year for small businesses.

[ascjim]

Yep, 2017 for me.

[DaveG]

Not me, my lad has just gone self employed 

[KS Cleaning]

One of the biggest costs for me was going to be payroll costs, I get my accountant to do mine for me and there is gonna be a lot more work involved,  for this reason at the start of the new financial year I am gonna be paying my employee 4 weekly instead of weekly to keep these costs down.

[JSMC]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

[Ian Lancaster]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

[dd]

JSMC I am guessing from what you say that you do not employ, so what is the purpose of your post?

[JSMC]

Just general chit chat why?

[DaveG]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

Yes, he has his own work, around 10% of his total turnover at the moment.

[CleanClear]

Sure all the new regs kick in this month that all employers must now offer a pension scheme.

Will this be a big cost to employers?

I've no idea about larger employers but for small business with one or two employees i don't think its the big panick. The main thing is to get registered if you are an employer. Even if your employee(s) is not going to qualify you still need to register if you are an employer. Effectivley the scheme will operate as a sole database of every employer. Employees below a certain age will not be eligible for the scheme, employees who earn less than a certain amount will not qualify for the scheme either. BUT and its an important BUT , the employer will still need to register.
 More info here, with links to follow through what you need to do if you employ.............
https://www.gov.uk/workplace-pensions-employers

[dd]

Just general chit chat why?

I guess i tend to focus on stuff that applys to me. I am interested in pensions as I pay in to one.

[Smudger]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

Hi Ian, this gives food for thought can you forward me where this is said?

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

[8weekly]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

Does this not apply for franchising?

[Ian Lancaster]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

Hi Ian, this gives food for thought can you forward me where this is said?

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

http://tools.hmrc.gov.uk/esi/investigate/ESI/en-GB/Attribute~complete~global~global/qs%24s40%40Interviews_screens_xint%24global%24global?user=guest

If the link works, follow through the questions

[Ian Lancaster]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

Does this not apply for franchising?

Yes.  Franchisees are self employed.  Ours are required to cover their work if they are off sick, on holiday for more than two weeks etc.

[Spursboy1972]

the implementation of tension auto enrolment  is different for everyone. they will notify you as to when you have to start it.

[8weekly]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

Does this not apply for franchising?

Yes.  Franchisees are self employed.  Ours are required to cover their work if they are off sick, on holiday for more than two weeks etc.

Yes, but you said the Revenue asked who was "responsible" for getting the work done. I assume Ian Lancaster Window Cleaning is responsible for getting the work done.  I realise it sounds as though I am being slightly pedantic, but as far as the customer is concerned the "contract" is with you.

If you think of an example of a plasterer on a building site, if he decides he no longer wants to do the work he has been hired for, it is the main contractor that needs to get a replacement, but no one would deny that the plasterer is self employed. My point is what you say is HMRC's position doesn't really make sense.

[Ian Lancaster]

I thought it was this january.

Regarding having a self employed lad, he must have work of his own n be only working for you. The revenue dont allow this as you avoid employers NI and employee NI

There used to be all sorts of regulations about this but the revenue have simplified it in most cases by asking "Is your self employed contractor responsible for getting the work done if he is unable to do it himself for any reason?"

If the answer is yes, he is self employed.

Does this not apply for franchising?

Yes.  Franchisees are self employed.  Ours are required to cover their work if they are off sick, on holiday for more than two weeks etc.

Yes, but you said the Revenue asked who was "responsible" for getting the work done. I assume Ian Lancaster Window Cleaning is responsible for getting the work done.  I realise it sounds as though I am being slightly pedantic, but as far as the customer is concerned the "contract" is with you.

If you think of an example of a plasterer on a building site, if he decides he no longer wants to do the work he has been hired for, it is the main contractor that needs to get a replacement, but no one would deny that the plasterer is self employed. My point is what you say is HMRC's position doesn't really make sense.

I'm afraid you're missing the point.  We are talking about whether someone who does work for us is self employed or not.  If he is self employed he is responsible for doing the work  under the terms of the Contract he has with us.  If he fails, we terminate his contract so as far as we are concerned he is no longer self employed within our organisation.

HMRC are concerned that it has to be clear whether this person is responsible for paying his own tax/NI etc, i.e. self employed.  When he ceases to have a business relationship with us, we don't give a monkey's whether he's self employed or not, the situation between him and us is clear and isn't voided by his departure.