[Rich Wilts]

Just sub work out instead of employing. Get self employed guys with own van and tools and pay a percentage 25/30% .

Am i reading this correct Mick. They get 25/30% of what they clean , people will do that ?

Has to be the other way round. He gets 25/30% as the organiser the contractors get 75%.

[Smudger]

2 men take 7 hours to complete £500 = 14 hours pay £35 p/h productivity
2 vans take 7hours to complete £700 = 14 hours pay £50 p/h productivity

£15 X 7 is £105 a day or £25k over a 48 week year, I think that outweighs the slightly higher van running costs

Agreed, this is the ideal scenario and thankfully this happens the majority of the time, unfortunately to deal with every situation, options, problems would be like writing a 20,000 word essay!!
But generally the above is correct we would rather have 4 vans out with a single operator than 2 pairs of 2

Darran
Darran

 

But it never works out quite like that does it... Not day in day out.

The more you scale up the more problems you face on a day to day basis.

You should know that by now Smudger 😊

[Clever Forum Name]

Darran. Sent you an email. Hopefully you got it. About a day or so ago

[Smudger]

Yes Damien - replied ( sorry it's probably a bit long winded! ) pls let me know if It didn't arrive. The email at my end seems a bit hit and miss just now

Darran

[Smudger]

Found it - got jammed in the outbox - now re- sent

Darran

[dazmond]

employing people is an absolute PITA in my experience unless you stumble on someone whos a good worker and then they normally leave after a while and start up on their own if they ve got half a brain.

it just depends what you want to build.im happy as a sole trader.if your the same just keep refining your round day after day,week after week,month after month,year after year.you ll then end up with a good paying round with minimal stress/hassle.buy the best equipment you can afford and a suitable van to maximise efficient working  and you ll  do ok for yourself.

[SeanK]

employing people is an absolute PITA in my experience unless you stumble on someone whos a good worker and then they normally leave after a while and start up on their own if they ve got half a brain.

it just depends what you want to build.im happy as a sole trader.if your the same just keep refining your round day after day,week after week,month after month,year after year.you ll then end up with a good paying round with minimal stress/hassle.buy the best equipment you can afford and a suitable van to maximise efficient working  and you ll  do ok for yourself.

That's ok as long as you stay healthy, the real benefit to employing isn't that your going to become mega rich more that
you have a back up, it wont cover everything such as an illness that prevents you running the business but it would certainly
help if you where no longer fit to do manual work.
I don't employ it the minute so don't know if the plus points outweigh the negative buts its something to think about.

[Smudger]

I'm not, or ever have knocked anyone for staying solo, same for some of the rates/prices etc.. No one on here should feel down beat for the rate they are achieving or the biz they are running.
Taking on the first employee was the biggest and hardest decision we made, it's not a step to take lightly, but for me it was always in my 5 year plan, simply I don't want to be doing regular window work day in day out in my mid 50's - I don't have any form of pension so the aim is that the biz provides an income when I either  do not want/can't work anymore.

Darran

[dazmond]

employing people is an absolute PITA in my experience unless you stumble on someone whos a good worker and then they normally leave after a while and start up on their own if they ve got half a brain.

it just depends what you want to build.im happy as a sole trader.if your the same just keep refining your round day after day,week after week,month after month,year after year.you ll then end up with a good paying round with minimal stress/hassle.buy the best equipment you can afford and a suitable van to maximise efficient working  and you ll  do ok for yourself.

That's ok as long as you stay healthy, the real benefit to employing isn't that your going to become mega rich more that
you have a back up, it wont cover everything such as an illness that prevents you running the business but it would certainly
help if you where no longer fit to do manual work.
I don't employ it the minute so don't know if the plus points outweigh the negative buts its something to think about.

yes i know where your coming from sean.if your ill or injured you cant work.i could have 6 months off and still pay my bills no problem but in a few years ill have plenty more put aside that would cover me for even longer.

im in good health though at present and live a very clean lifestyle and have done for years now.

i know guys still working part time window cleaning in their late 60s/early 70s and look great for their age.they dont need to work but do a few days a week still and enjoy it.

[Smudger]

No one knows what's around the corner Daz,  weather illness or accident you'd really need a large sum to cover your bills long term

Darran

[dazmond]

No one knows what's around the corner Daz,  weather illness or accident you'd really need a large sum to cover your bills long term

Darran

true but its not worth worrying about what "might" happen mate.as long as your saving for the future so you have a good nest egg for when you semi retire/retire.

when ive got say £150,000 behind me in 20 years time ill be able to take it easy.ill probably set up another small business that doesnt require as much physical effort to keep a modest income coming in plus state pension.

[Dave Willis]

£150,000 is unfortunately bugger all if you have to live off it for twenty years. Particularly if you're still in rented accommodation.

[CleanClear]

£150,000 is unfortunately bugger all if you have to live off it for twenty years. Particularly if you're still in rented accommodation.

With £150,000 savings someone would need to pay their rent themselves. With no savings at all the rent would be met from Benefits. No brainer !!! 

[Mick Kent]

Daz do you not have a mortgage??
Your doing realy well workwise, why not get on the ladder and work to pay for your home instead of working to pay for someone elses!. I have 2 houses, renting is just making someone else rich. The rental income from my other property pays for the mortgage on both homes  i own. Realy is a no brainer to buy. Interest rates are so low right now too. Use your savings for a deposit if i was you.
Just friendly advice.