[wayne m]

Hi , have any of you guys got a caddy setup and have some pictures they can share on here?  What is the biggest tank they can hold? Thinking of getting second van but want a small van and do like the caddys. Thanks

[Oliver @ GrippaTank]

Good Morning

I have attached a few pictures of some installs we have done in VW Caddies.
These are 400 tanks - payload weights do differ over the various caddie variants so it's important to check this before purchasing the vehicle and deciding which tank size to purchase.

[Spruce]

Hi , have any of you guys got a caddy setup and have some pictures they can share on here?  What is the biggest tank they can hold? Thinking of getting second van but want a small van and do like the caddys. Thanks

I'm sorry but as much as I like VW products, I would stay away from them at present. Long term, we have no idea what the Tdi emissions scandal is going to throw up.

Whilst co2 emissions for vans aren't taken into RFL tax equations at present, the feeling is the road fund license structure will be overhauled before 2018 and it probably won't be good. If a VW product becomes undesirable then you have a 'worthless' asset. Buying a business vehicle isn't the same as buying a private car. It has to make good business sense and emotions aren't part of good business sense - you need an accountants head in other words.

So if you do go for a caddy then you really need to buy it at a good price.

[dazmond]

connect t230 s are more suited to wfp due to higher payload(900kg)and more room in the back.i love mine.perfect for a ONE MAN SET UP.

[dd]

The lwb version of the Caddy looks good and it has a reasonable payload. VW build an allowance for fuel and driver into their payload so the quoted payload figure is actually more generous than it appears.

Re emissions saga, it may mean you could buy one cheaper and expenses are tax deductable (unlike a private vehicle).

Personally I think they are probably good motors but have always thought that VW are overpriced and over rated. Despite what VW say in their adverts their vehicles generally are not much above average in terms of reliability (according to all the surveys, Which etc, I have seen).

[Spruce]

The lwb version of the Caddy looks good and it has a reasonable payload. VW build an allowance for fuel and driver into their payload so the quoted payload figure is actually more generous than it appears.

Re emissions saga, it may mean you could buy one cheaper and expenses are tax deductable (unlike a private vehicle).

Personally I think they are probably good motors but have always thought that VW are overpriced and over rated. Despite what VW say in their adverts their vehicles generally are not much above average in terms of reliability (according to all the surveys, Which etc, I have seen).

That is probably the most balanced comment I've come across recently with regard to this.

In the motor trade VW launched the Tdi motor fractionally sooner than  PSA did the Hdi (JTD with Fiat). They also promoted their 1.9 Tdi product so well that even PSA believed they had a slightly better engine.

Their promotion started to crumble when they went to the 2.0 engine which was/is an old rather dated Audi engine. They went to this just as PSA were moving away from the 2.0 hdi in favour of the 2.2 as it had better emissions flexibility. But obviously cheating the emissions was the cheapest way forward for VW.

The used car garage down the way had 4 Tdi vehicles in stock last month. They sold one when we were cleaning the windows and their focus was to sell the other 3 ASAP and not buy in any more VW's (or Seat etc), not even petrols. We clean the place tomorrow so we will see what's left.

Lesson to learn is that you never know what you are getting until the brown stuff hits the fan.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next scandal involves the Adblue additive. There was rumours through the motorvine that vehicles using that system were also suspect.
 
Could Ford have known something us mere mortals didn't know when they opted to join PSA and use the Hdi as a base engine for the Tdci rather than the VW engine?

Maybe a PSA/Ford diesel in VW's in the future?

[dd]

Spruce

I take it from what you are saying that Ford now use the same engines as Citroen in their diesel vans?

[Spruce]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_HDi_engine

http://www.enginetechnologyinternational.com/news.php?NewsID=25150

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509946/psa-and-ford-will-extend-diesel-tie-up-report-says

Anything with a common rail diesel engine is part of the joint venture. Some diesels are model and marque specific, ie the 1.8Tdci in the Ford Transit Connect.

When the first common rail engines were making an appearance PSA and Ford needed each other. PSA (Peugeot/Citroen had the technology but didn't have the manufacturing facilities to produce engines to the new demand. (In 1999 we had Xantia's and Xsaras on backorder with the factory as they had no Hdi engines to fit into them.) 

They started making engines at the Dagenham Ford factory back then.  It would appear that Dagenham is solely the producer of engines used in Ford vehicles now whereas the Hdi is made in factories in France. It wasn't like that to begin with. they were manufacturing engines at Dagenham, shipping back to the assembly line in France and then shipping the cars back to us here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908562/Made-Dagenham-Ford-open-state-art-475million-production-line-employing-3-000-making-new-green-diesel-engines.html

[Dave Willis]

Funny how different manufacturers use each others engines. Peugeot use the mini cooper S petrol engine in some of their models ( a crap BMW engine too) whilst BMW use their diesels.

[Spruce]

Diesel engines are a big deal at the moment due to Euro emission standards. Individually, a car manufacturer can't afford to go it alone as the development costs are too high.

At first we were surprised that Ford chose the PSA engine tbh. They were already using the tdi engine in the Ford Galaxy - the Ford Galaxy was a rebadged VW Sharran. 

Floor pans is another the manufacturers share. They are jolly expensive to press out due to the cost and size of the dies.

Then PSA use Fiat as their large van supplier with PSA supplying most of the engines - bar the 2.3. Fiat use PSA for their Scudo.

Toyota are now using PSA for their latest van, the Toyota Proace; same van as the Scudo, Despatch, Expert.

The Citroen C1, Peugeot 107 and Toyota Aygo are basically the same car with cosmetic changes all built in the Czech Republic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/first-drives/2735736/Deja-vu-on-a-shoestring.html

And now Mercedes are using the base Doblo as their small van.

There was talk of Fiat selling their whole vehicle manufacturing company to VW about a year ago. Fiat were only going to keep Ferrari. Fiat shares went up 20% and VW shares fell by 20%. 

If that did happen sometime in the future, that would have to send major ripples through the industry. Would the Scudo then be sourced from VW and become a rebadged Transporter with a Fiat badge and Tdi motor? Would VW Fiat continue to supply PSA with Relays and Boxers?