[barry71]

Looking to invest in hot water system to feed 2 man operation  anyone recommend ?

[NWH]

Varitech-Stramline systems Newton abbot

[concept]

Grippatank.

[Oliver @ GrippaTank]

Grippatank.

Good Morning,

Thanks for the mention Concept.

barry71 - do let us know if we can help in anyway, we would be happy to submit quotations to you.

[NWH]

Grippa-Varitech-Ionic the system is basically the same in all 3 setups,it's a thermo top motor with stainless steel plate exchangers. Grippa incorporate there's behind the blanking plate on there systems so you can't see it but it's the same as the cabinet version that Varitech do which is the same as mine. Ionics are no different although they set there's up with an independent battery which is split charged for the heater alone which is a good idea as they draw a lot of Amps when powering up to heat the water,if you buy one of these systems make sure it does have an independent battery or it will turn off the heater when the battery starts to age.

[NWH]

The ideal hot system  is gas really as you can fine tune the temp and it allows you to use piping hot water for  roofs and cladding etc,I don't know if concept 2o are still trading coz they did one although I know someone that has one and he has had problem with it,whether they have sorted these problems out I've no idea. They used to put the gas cannisters under the vehicle and you have a digital display to set the temp which when working fine is accurate,lot of money though 10k + I think his was at the time.

[KS Cleaning]

Looking to invest in hot water system to feed 2 man operation  anyone recommend ?

If you park your van on driveway and have access to electric, 3KW immersion is the best way to go IMO. I used to have the purefreedom 9kw 2 man system, cost me around 6K for the full system, ( as an add on I think it's about 3.5K )I now have the 3KW immersion, cost me around £700 this includes, tank, cage and all electrics.

[Oliver @ GrippaTank]

Grippa-Varitech-Ionic the system is basically the same in all 3 setups,it's a thermo top motor with stainless steel plate exchangers. Grippa incorporate there's behind the blanking plate on there systems so you can't see it but it's the same as the cabinet version that Varitech do which is the same as mine. Ionics are no different although they set there's up with an independent battery which is split charged for the heater alone which is a good idea as they draw a lot of Amps when powering up to heat the water,if you buy one of these systems make sure it does have an independent battery or it will turn off the heater when the battery starts to age.

Thanks for the mention NWH.

Our systems do indeed use heat exchangers, but the 2 man system doesn't use the thermo top, as this is not high enough kw to heat a two person setup. The key to our design with the cabinet is that the filters and pumps are fitted to the front of this, allowing the ambient temperature from the heater as well as the frost prevention circuit to prevent the system from freezing overnight.

You are quite correct about the battery power being hugely important. Our systems are all shipped with a smart charge relay along with 220ah bank of batteries to ensure the heater and system have sufficient charge.

[windowswashed]

If you do use a 3kw immersion element make sure the cable is fully unwound as these are rated at 3150 watts I think but something stupid like 900 watts wound in. Good chance of burning the cable, plug or socket and possibly having the fire brigade call around your house with the blues flashing. Need 16 amp wire, fully unwound with a thermal cut out. I personally would never touch one, not even using one of them cheap nasty Chinese timers as they are potential accidents waiting to happen. Prevention is better than remedy.

[NWH]

I've looked at a Grippa hot system and the gubbins which is in mine is on that system only its not in a cabinet,if I had to choose a new system tomorrow it would be from Grippa having it all installed on the drive at home and off to work the next day sells it to me. Next to ionic which is over engineered IMO it's looks the most neat and tidy,they use John guest fittings  on everything to which are leak free as well as hassle free. Quick and easy to change resin etc with John guest fittings.How much does it work out for a 7-800ltr 2 man system for a delivery system with a resin vessel on board.

[KS Cleaning]

If you do use a 3kw immersion element make sure the cable is fully unwound as these are rated at 3150 watts I think but something stupid like 900 watts wound in. Good chance of burning the cable, plug or socket and possibly having the fire brigade call around your house with the blues flashing. Need 16 amp wire, fully unwound with a thermal cut out. I personally would never touch one, not even using one of them cheap nasty Chinese timers as they are potential accidents waiting to happen. Prevention is better than remedy.

 
 A qualified sparky was happy enough to install mine, 16 amp cable running from element to a 16 amp socket in my garage.

[windowswashed]

If you do use a 3kw immersion element make sure the cable is fully unwound as these are rated at 3150 watts I think but something stupid like 900 watts wound in. Good chance of burning the cable, plug or socket and possibly having the fire brigade call around your house with the blues flashing. Need 16 amp wire, fully unwound with a thermal cut out. I personally would never touch one, not even using one of them cheap nasty Chinese timers as they are potential accidents waiting to happen. Prevention is better than remedy.

 
 A qualified sparky was happy enough to install mine, 16 amp cable running from element to a 16 amp socket in my garage.

Well done for doing it properly, as safety is paramount. That works fine and safely. I was just trying to warn others who use normal 13 amp extensions half unwound, simply plugged in through windows into their homes to prevent them having a house or van fire as it would just be a matter of time before someone does thinking they can do things cheaper without regards for their own safety, or their family or neighbours.

[KS Cleaning]

If you do use a 3kw immersion element make sure the cable is fully unwound as these are rated at 3150 watts I think but something stupid like 900 watts wound in. Good chance of burning the cable, plug or socket and possibly having the fire brigade call around your house with the blues flashing. Need 16 amp wire, fully unwound with a thermal cut out. I personally would never touch one, not even using one of them cheap nasty Chinese timers as they are potential accidents waiting to happen. Prevention is better than remedy.

 
 A qualified sparky was happy enough to install mine, 16 amp cable running from element to a 16 amp socket in my garage.

Well done for doing it properly, as safety is paramount. That works fine and safely. I was just trying to warn others who use normal 13 amp extensions half unwound, simply plugged in through windows into their homes to prevent them having a house or van fire as it would just be a matter of time before someone does thinking they can do things cheaper without regards for their own safety, or their family or neighbours.

Ah, with you now, good advice that

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

I love heat exchanges best way to keep water at 300 degrees when clean carpets of ferrys and office blocks for hours and hours of use been running them for over 15 years without a problem , so heating piddly little amounts of water we use should be easy for them

ive been looking at a xline heated system or a hand built one from stev sargil

[Dave Willis]

Three hundred degrees Where do you work - the earths core?

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Three hundred degrees Where do you work - the earths core?

I good truck mount and a good carpet cleaner will clean most carpets between 200/300 degree and about 300/500 psi dave  northing breaks down dirt quicker and faster then steam 

[lee kelly]

Aquafactor basingstoke good hotwash

[Smurf]

Three hundred degrees Where do you work - the earths core?

I good truck mount and a good carpet cleaner will clean most carpets between 200/300 degree and about 300/500 psi dave  northing breaks down dirt quicker and faster then steam 

I think susan means 300 f not 300 c dave
300 f = 148.88 c  which is classed as super heated water (very hot steam in other words to you and I) 

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Three hundred degrees Where do you work - the earths core?

I good truck mount and a good carpet cleaner will clean most carpets between 200/300 degree and about 300/500 psi dave  northing breaks down dirt quicker and faster then steam 

I think susan means 300 f not 300 c dave
300 f = 148.88 c  which is classed as super heated water (very hot steam in other words to you and I) 

took from the hydra master web site ore do you know better then them ??  maybe you just need to stop talking about something you know northing about

Water temperature

Perhaps the most significant benefit to cleaning with a truckmount vs. a portable is the high water temperatures truckmounts can sustain. The hotter the water the better and faster results you’ll get from your cleaning chemicals. Some portables have tried to add heaters, but just can’t compete.

If, on the other hand, you’re comparing solution temperatures on competing truckmounts, you should know that it’s not good to rely on the temperature gauge of every machine out there. For instance, if a temperature gauge sending unit is located on or near the heat exchanger, you’ll see artificially elevated temps.  Some machines also raise temps by restricting water flow. That’s not good because fewer gallons per minute mean less effective cleaning. 

Another thing you’ll want to look for is sustained heat. Many machines out there reach temps of 230 degrees to 250 degrees, but during a typical cleaning cycle (or if a rotary tool is used), the actual temp drops drastically and can take too much time to recover—that causes carpet streaking.  HydraMaster truckmounts are designed to maintain precise temperature control with minimal variation, so you're assured optimal sustained heat at all times.

[barry71]

Next question to you guys  because I'm on the fence with this 1. Do you really think a hot water system is that beneficial is it not just a luxury ?  Experience tells me that cleaning windows at freezing temperatures as got to be a massive  h/s issue after you've left the job you are doing hot water or cold. In the past few years  if it doesn't get to 2 degrees  by lunchtime I can't see the point in going out. So is the hot water system a costly luxury??