[darryn]

going from trad to reach and clean starting monday coming.Been doing my own windows today with my mate who has been teaching me, he has been doing reach and clean for 3 years.He reckons it takes 3 0r 4 cleans to see true results,when he left  they looked great after drying there seems to be a fews runs off transins is this down to washing liquid,be grateful for some advice as i dont want lose work

[the king]

poor clean if u ask me i can get all first cleans up with no runs u can get a bit of lite spoting if there is a lot of soap resdue but if u wash rince all the windows then go bk an just do the glass its to cleans that anouth to get perfect resaults  or use ubik2000 sprayed on the brush that helps speed up first cleans u can tell when runs will apear buy  looking at the water and how its running down the glass there is a few tell tale signs like small dots of water in a strate line from the top seal they allways dry dirty an leve runs hope this helps

[Smudger]

In my experience it is extremely rare for a first clean to be bad water fed pole, the "3 cleans until perfect" line is rolled out as an excuse for not giving the clean the extra effort and care required to get it right.

No matter if the windows are minging or look clean, extra scrubbing and rinsing is required, then go back and give a final rinse.

We also treat the frames with a8 TFR ( g101/ubik/etc) to remove old residues

Darran

[8weekly]

there is a few tell tale signs like small dots of water in a strate line from the top seal they allways dry dirty an leve runs hope this helps

Not always. Sometimes you can reclean and reclean and you'll still get the same line in the same place.

[darryn]

ok i will rinse glass a second time just worried i dont make less money when spending more time on job

[8weekly]

ok i will rinse glass a second time just worried i dont make less money when spending more time on job

You only need to do that on the first clean.

[Smudger]

ok i will rinse glass a second time just worried i dont make less money when spending more time on job

This will only be the first time round, don't skimp on cleaning the frames - get it right first time, not only will it impress the customers putting them at ease, but make your future cleans a doddle

Agree, you can be left with a line after reclean ing, but this generally is a change to the glass surface from years of water draining out of or dripping off the frame, but knowing when to leave those is down to experience, generally, first clean, first rinse and you have a beading line of droplets it will spot

Darran

[Smudger]

Jinx 

[darryn]

will i clean every frame on each house or can i get away with just frame near glass?what going to happen if i dont do all of frames?Its going t take a bit longer shorter day and start of gales and rain,still need to make a good days wage

[Smudger]

You do all the frame, that's the advantage of WFP cleaning, if your already starting to think about cutting corners, then your really going to end up in a world of hurt, therefore you'd be best staying trad

Darran

[darryn]

cheers smudger i will take all advice on board is this for first clean only or everytime mate

[KS Cleaning]

On your last trad clean you would have been better cleaning all top frames and seals with a cloth, time consuming yes but you would have reaped the  benefits on your first wfp clean

[Jonny 87]

In my opinion you've chose the wrong time of year to make the switch to wfp. If you have a full round that is.

For me first cleans with wfp take about three times as long as it would to do them traditionally. Then after that I'm about 50% quicker than trad.

So if you've got a full day's work that you do on Ladders, then expect that to take atleast twice as long with  Wfp on the first clean. Do a proper job and get it right from the start.

I agree with the above that the "three cleans to get them perfect" is a poor line. If I was the customer I would say.....ok then. I will pay you in three cleans when they are up to standard......

[Smudger]

Exactly Johnny

Yes clean the frames every time, but from the second clean (esp upvc) they only need a couple of passes

Ps - I would also work with a high flow rate ( this might cause you some issues with water useage, but again experience will bring its own rewards )

Darran

[darryn]

I have been doing trad for 25years and got 2 big rounds,problem is i have sciatica at moment been off work for 2 weeks hardly walk just pulling my self round now time to wrap ladders in now,suppose i am going have to get on with it even if i make a few less quid .comes with age i reckon cheers for all help lads

[Smudger]

When you say big rounds ?

How many do you do a day trad, how many days a week do you clean, what cycle are they on?

Darran

[darryn]

I have 5 days work for 2 men  doing on average 170 to 200 per day on good day 5 hours work on fortnightly bases

[Smudger]

Oh!

Not wanting to sound like/come across a t@$$€r - that to me is very low !

You may not need to continue fortnight lay cleans with WFP - but that's upto you and your buisness model

If this helps, two men should be able to do 15 to 18 minging first cleans in a day typical semi (3 windows plus door to front couple on the side same at rear  with the odd one having a conny)
On regular cleaning 35 to 40 can be achieved cleaning 8am to 3pm

Hope this helps
Darran

[darryn]

i suppose it depends on price of houses and size of house dont forget a live in newcastle area my houses arnt the best priced mate

[Smudger]

Understood, hence why I've tried to direct it to qty and sizes at least that way I may be able to give an indication of what you could achieve

Darran