[Smudger]

Same here Dave, 6 years in none of my tanks either van or static have ever gone green even when they stood in the garden but if anyone is worried then the hypo will do the biz ( or the Milton tabs )

Darran

[DeLuce]

Gg4 works nicely on 2ml dose pr 100ltr.  I've just tried on 2.5ml pr 100ltr this week and that seems fine too. Good finish. Although with 2ml working fine, I don't know if there's much point of using the extra 0.5!!

[Matt.]

I want a go of this gg4 material, 

Who or were r we getting it from guys, a link maybe or telephone number.

I think vision is all day but putting them figures into perspective I want in on this gg4 gang

Matt

[Smudger]

GG4 is readily available from most cleaning suppliers
I get mine from here...

http://www.windowcleancentre.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=175&SectionID=26

Darran

[lee_dewing]

hi  Darran.

I`ve always used gg3 in my 25 ltr barrels just a drizzle through the finger spout.

Mentioned on here often in the past but used to get p-taking.

Not a trend setter like you (why can`t I add smiley`s?)

Also add virosol sometimes on bad first cleans.

[lee_dewing]

Amazing, thought sun was out time to go back out again.

It`s sunny and pouring with rain at the same time

[Dave Willis]

I've ordered something else to try, very cheap and smells of citrus 
 If it works I might call it Division - i'm expecting opinions to be very divided.

[Jonny 87]

I've ordered something else to try, very cheap and smells of citrus 
 If it works I might call it Division - i'm expecting opinions to be very divided.

If you've ordered what I think you've ordered......... Be careful Dave.  It won't mix with water, and is also like a paint stripper even though in its form is quite eco friendly.  (Remember I'm no longer associated with vision and jigsaw so I have no ulterior motives here).

Watch how you go!

[Dave Willis]

Ah, but I might not have ordered what you think I've ordered at all. Don't worry, it's not the raw ingredients.
Virosol is a citrus based degreaser too come to think of it so probably not that far away either  (or was it Ubik I'll have a look sometime).

[Avo]

What's the reason for using gg4 in tanks over the gg3 is it better?

[Mike #1]

GG4 for hard water areas GG3 soft water

[Dave Willis]

What's the reason for using gg4 in tanks over the gg3 is it better?

I used it because I had it in stock already, there was mention of using it on their website some time ago so I dropped them a line. There was an article somewhere in their FAQ section where they reckoned you could scrub the glass with GG4 and rinse it off with a hose pipe and get perfect results - never tried it myself.  http://titanlabs.net/media/gg4-features.pdf
I've never tried GG3 for trad or WFP either.

I got bored last night and looked at lots of other products that maybe might produce a good finish, things like various rinse aids and cleaners - some of them have pretty harsh ingredients though that I wouldn't be happy squirting about.

[Avo]

GG4 for hard water areas GG3 soft water

yes I no mike but it's in a tank of pure water which isn't hard anymore..

 Just wondering if gg3 might of been better in the tank for wfp.

[slap bash]

What I do from time to time is put a few cups of household bleach ( not the thick one ) and the pump some through the system and then leave the tank cap off because it will evaporate out of the water and kill all bacteria making the slimy stuff. I do the same to my static system as well. Never been a problem on the glass at all.

[SeanK]

What's the reason for using gg4 in tanks over the gg3 is it better?

I used it because I had it in stock already, there was mention of using it on their website some time ago so I dropped them a line. There was an article somewhere in their FAQ section where they reckoned you could scrub the glass with GG4 and rinse it off with a hose pipe and get perfect results - never tried it myself.  http://titanlabs.net/media/gg4-features.pdf
I've never tried GG3 for trad or WFP either.

I got bored last night and looked at lots of other products that maybe might produce a good finish, things like various rinse aids and cleaners - some of them have pretty harsh ingredients though that I wouldn't be happy squirting about.

Dave what are you looking for or better still what problems are you getting that's driving you to all this time wasting ?
Iv just come in from a days cleaning (well about 5 hours which is good going for me) and to be honest even though I get a lot less than some on here I still feel guilty that I'm charging so much for spending so little time at each property just using cold pure.
Additives make no difference to any part of cleaning using wfp, you cant put enough for them in the water to make a difference
and even if you could that difference isn't needed.
Its nothing more than a confidence builder for the small amount for guys who cant get their heads around the fact that water
can clean the glass and frames on its own.
Even in traditional work and used in higher concentrations GG3 and GG4 aren't anything special do you honestly think they
will work miracles in pure water in such small doses ?

[Dave Willis]

Nope, I don't think anything works miracles. I am interested in changing the properties of pure a little though. Doesn't matter if nothing works because pure on its own is adequate (just). I've always said wfp with pure is a poor method of cleaning, perfect results are very rare and first cleans can be a lottery. Grease on glass from barbecues doesn't shift if you look closely and pollen marks are hopeless. If you clean the insides too it doesn't take long to realise pure water cleaning isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So, if I can get one more step to perfection cheaply I don't mind playing about with stuff. Also these additives  do actually make a difference to the way the water behaves even at such small doses - you'd be surprised. A lot of it is in the users head I'm sure but not all.

[keyser soze]

Nope, I don't think anything works miracles. I am interested in changing the properties of pure a little though. Doesn't matter if nothing works because pure on its own is adequate (just). I've always said wfp with pure is a poor method of cleaning, perfect results are very rare and first cleans can be a lottery. Grease on glass from barbecues doesn't shift if you look closely and pollen marks are hopeless. If you clean the insides too it doesn't take long to realise pure water cleaning isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So, if I can get one more step to perfection cheaply I don't mind playing about with stuff. Also these additives  do actually make a difference to the way the water behaves even at such small doses - you'd be surprised.


thats exactly what i think dave , I clean a lot of insides after cleaning the outsides with wfp and i can see pure sometimes needs a little help. although i don't use gg4 yet ,I've definitely seen a difference with vision . some people are ignorant to the fact it could make a difference. imho

[Smurf]

Nope, I don't think anything works miracles. I am interested in changing the properties of pure a little though. Doesn't matter if nothing works because pure on its own is adequate (just). I've always said wfp with pure is a poor method of cleaning, perfect results are very rare and first cleans can be a lottery. Grease on glass from barbecues doesn't shift if you look closely and pollen marks are hopeless. If you clean the insides too it doesn't take long to realise pure water cleaning isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So, if I can get one more step to perfection cheaply I don't mind playing about with stuff. Also these additives  do actually make a difference to the way the water behaves even at such small doses - you'd be surprised.


thats exactly what i think dave , I clean a lot of insides after cleaning the outsides with wfp and i can see pure sometimes needs a little help. although i don't use gg4 yet ,I've definitely seen a difference with vision . some people are ignorant to the fact it could make a difference. imho

I agree as cold pure water on it's own sucks on filthy surfaces and defo needs a boost if you want my honest opinion.
Using a boost aswell as hot pure now that transforms wfp work to even a better standard than trad could ever do 

[keyser soze]

when you get a chance  to check your work , you can see the pure is not brill . so much so i was thinking of doing shops traditional . but using vision has restored my faith in the pole system .

[Dave Willis]

I have hot if I want it (fogwash) but having shattered glass with it I rarely switch it on. I think additives help but don't perform miracles. I did a big first clean the other day, spent a long time on it and double rinsed/duble scrubbed - looked fantastic, customer was over the moon ........................... then I moved on to the insides, rubbish I thought.