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Positivity

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Self Assessment
« on: September 25, 2015, 08:21:58 am »
Hi Just got request from accountant for years figures.
He charged £450 last year, it's o.k. getting bound accounts with balance sheet, tangible assets, profit and loss etc. but we're only a small enterprise really and TBH I can't understand most of it anyway!
How difficult is it to do your own online self assessment?

duncan h

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2015, 12:06:02 pm »
Its easy. The hard part is knowing what you can claim for. Like van depreciation

Positivity

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2015, 01:14:41 pm »
Its easy. The hard part is knowing what you can claim for. Like van depreciation
I've think I've figured that out by taking percentages from the last 3 years so hopefully that should be O.K. but there's all kind of stuff such as having to calculate the interest earned on your current account for instance.

stevon

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2015, 03:01:49 pm »
its always worth having a good accountant.wait until you get a tax enquiry.the revenue will have you in tears trust me.they follow you in umarked cars & know your every move,thats if your dishonest. they  are worth every penny when they fight your corner.i speak from experience & I was honest.

paulben

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2015, 08:03:49 pm »
If your self employed then DIY as long as your honest and nothing to hide then let them prove your on the fiddle . If you got a problem as long as its not last minute before tax return due in found them helpful .
If you try doing a fiddle then they will spot it they are more clever than most on here.
As for all those that boast how much they earn you never know who is watching the forums
Do not steal the government hates competition

stevon

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2015, 08:45:54 pm »
there paid to be clever.they have to get results.its there job.they followed some one I know who wasn't declaring all his work.lets just say he was taking the ****they got him in & asked- do u clean this road that road blah blah.he tried to play stupid.well of course they followed him & highlighted all the roads & work he  didn't declare on a ordinance survey map.he was stung for a lot of $$$$

KS Cleaning

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2015, 09:05:09 pm »
its always worth having a good accountant.wait until you get a tax enquiry.the revenue will have you in tears trust me.they follow you in umarked cars & know your every move,thats if your dishonest. they  are worth every penny when they fight your corner.i speak from experience & I was honest.
If you don't have insurance to cover a tax investigation your accountant will fight your corner alright but most will charge a fortune to do so.

Smudger

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2015, 09:17:38 pm »
its always worth having a good accountant.wait until you get a tax enquiry.the revenue will have you in tears trust me.they follow you in umarked cars & know your every move,thats if your dishonest. they  are worth every penny when they fight your corner.i speak from experience & I was honest.
If you don't have insurance to cover a tax investigation your accountant will fight your corner alright but most will charge a fortune to do so.
+1

Have you ever noticed the disclaimer from the accountant when you sign for your books - basically it says you are responsible and he takes no liability.  - of course he will fight your case but only after charging you £'£££

Tax returns are  pretty straightforward certainly if your OMB but for a couple of hundred quid it's always good to get a professional to look over them.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

chris turner

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2015, 11:12:28 pm »
its always worth having a good accountant.wait until you get a tax enquiry.the revenue will have you in tears trust me.they follow you in umarked cars & know your every move,thats if your dishonest. they  are worth every penny when they fight your corner.i speak from experience & I was honest.

Surely it costs the taxpayer more money to send these guys out in there unmarked cars, pay there wages etc then they would ever recoup rate from a window cleaner not declaring a few jobs here and there!

Smudger

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2015, 11:21:49 pm »
For us little guys that would be true, but the effect on others will justify this action ( think of the hundreds that suddenly feel the urge to start paying 😃 )

The father in laws friend was a Plummer who worked for the council, and advertised in the local press, the tax man followed him for six months before reeling him in ( just after the tax returns went in ) he didn't declare a single penny outside his "job" they pulled out all the addresses,times, etc..  His new tax bill was an extra £30k

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Mike #1

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2015, 07:22:19 am »
How come a question about self assessment then turns into people make assumpations that self employed people are on the fiddle .

It boils my P$$$ when once in a while you get talking to someone and they say but you  dont put have to put every thing through you just not declare the cash you're getting .

No I bloody can't I am honest and pay my taxes but use an account to ensure that I can lawfully claim for every thing possible

Tax doesn't have to be taxing they binned that advert a good few years ago the online system became a nightmare far better to pay a chartered accountant and know everything is in order .

Katy

Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2015, 07:46:19 am »
I do mine, but they are so straight forward - if I do get stuck (hope this is ok with admin??? if not remove) there is a site called UKBF where there are loads of accountants, employment law people, etc, who are incredibly generous in offering solutions to questions if you get stuck when doing  your own return.

stevon

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2015, 08:10:11 am »
theres a hairdresser were I take the little one.they had a tax investigation!!!check this out!!!! they rely on tips-but tips are taxable.they were not declaring it ???& yes xmas tips are taxable.now how honest are you ;D

Cookie

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2015, 01:56:27 pm »
theres a hairdresser were I take the little one.they had a tax investigation!!!check this out!!!! they rely on tips-but tips are taxable.they were not declaring it ???& yes xmas tips are taxable.now how honest are you ;D
Yes Xmas tips are taxable and this includes gifts as well.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim07900.htm

When I used to work as a milkman for Unigate some of the roundsmen received over £1,500 in tips & gifts at Christmas. Whether they actually declared this or not I don't know ....

I declare all my tips. I have one customer who tips me £4 every clean every 4 weeks... More often it's just a £1 here or there ...


duncan h

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2015, 05:33:13 pm »
I was a self employed milk man at the age of 19. I made silly money. I got an accountant who did all my accounts for years. My accountant got sent down for fraud. I had to take my accounts to tax office. They said they were no good and had to be re done. They wernt certified or something. Long time ago.
I had to pay another accountant to re do them.
I found out, unless you can claim for things you don't know about, its not worth it. If you screw your accounts up. You wont get sent down. All they are for, is showing your income really. You gain by  having an accountant so you can claim for more hidden things.
Big companies are a totally different thing. They will have clerks etc to help in this.
I got visited by the tax man one day. I had
 a customer who worked at the petrol station. She gave me a receipt for X amount. He pulled out that 1 receipt out of hundreds, many from the same place. These guys are good

Katy

Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2015, 08:18:50 pm »
My business is  a very simple business model, I would also think that  this industry is, fuel, vans, sign writing, websites, etc.  Not too complicated........... I think if you were a LTD company, dealing with VAT, turnover of x amount of 1000's then maybe an accountant, but Im not so sure if you are turning over less than 50K I would take an accountant on - as there is sites like UKBF with qualified accountants that will give away advice for free.  If I ever get stuck, I just pop a question on there and in mins there would be somebody that will come along and answer it - so as far as an accountant if you turning under less than 50K not sure if its worth it.....

CleanClear

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2015, 09:23:20 pm »
Hi Just got request from accountant for years figures.
He charged £450 last year, it's o.k. getting bound accounts with balance sheet, tangible assets, profit and loss etc. but we're only a small enterprise really and TBH I can't understand most of it anyway!
How difficult is it to do your own online self assessment?

Online self assesment is very easy. I think its easier than filling in a self assesment form, i say this because on the online version there are "help" annotations to help you and clue you up to the various passages.

Its easy. The hard part is knowing what you can claim for. Like van depreciation
I've think I've figured that out by taking percentages from the last 3 years so hopefully that should be O.K. but there's all kind of stuff such as having to calculate the interest earned on your current account for instance.

I can't help you with depreciation advice as its not something i've ever used. I've used a simpler "capital allowance" route, and as i generally buy older vans that suits me fine. But you should't have to calculate interest on your current account as you generally get a statement telling you what it is? And after all, even if you have a big turnover your interest on a current account wouldn't be anything to write home about. We're talking coppers/pennies.

  Here's my advice for what its worth and it will cost you nothing only your own time..............

 register for online self assesment............. you'll be given a user name and a password. You can fill in your self assesment to the best of your ability using the book keeping records you have, you do have them don't you? I don't mean to be glib over this point, and i'll come back to it at the end. If you're stuck on a certain point, ask here or a small business forum for some advice.
 When you have filled in the assesment form you do not need to "submit it" at this point, you can save it to come back to. Print it out, go get some advice then, maybe ask an accountant at this stage? You'll have done all the hard work based on your book keeping ?
  I've no idea about carrying allowances over, long term finance or leases, i've based what i've said on simple things like buying a van for a grand, recording your takings, recording your out goings and thats it. There are more complex matters that accountants can help with i.e..knowing how much to claim for use of your own home as a part office etc...but as far as i know they extend to something small like £250 a year (i could be wrong, so check it), which in the scheme of things saves you next to nothing. So i'd be wary of paying someone £450 a year to save me a few pence. Its not something i have ever claimed.
  If as you say you are small and not complex, and i've assumed you are not VAT registered, and i've assumed you're not a limited co. that requires assets to be listed etc...i've no idea why you can't do this easily and simply yourself and save £450 accountants fees.
 This bit doesn't apply to you (per se) its just a general statement............ if anyone thinks they're going to throw bank statements, a few reciepts, and a few bits and bobs of accounts to an accountant to compile then you'll get what you deserve. And even in an investigation you'll be held out to dry by your accountant and the tax man. Keep your books right, its simple, record your takings, record your out goings. Fill in the form. Anything should be by reference, its easy.
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Katy

Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2015, 09:33:13 pm »
Chappy above is right  - its really not that hard OP, and there is tons of advice of business forums like UKBF - qualified accountants will answer questions free of charge - will save you a lot of money

Spruce

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Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2015, 09:48:12 pm »
Its easy. The hard part is knowing what you can claim for. Like van depreciation
I've think I've figured that out by taking percentages from the last 3 years so hopefully that should be O.K. but there's all kind of stuff such as having to calculate the interest earned on your current account for instance.

They get that from you first bank statement after the end of the April tax year. Mine is usually on the May bank statement in  the summary section. Just use those figures.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Katy

Re: Self Assessment
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2015, 09:54:08 pm »
Yep rang the bank about interest stuff and they give me a break down either over the phone or send a statement - nothing frightening, just a question of reading through the questions and if you get stuck - you go onto the UKBF (im not trying to promote the site, but its fantastic)