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Dave Willis

Question for immersion users
« on: August 27, 2015, 06:36:12 pm »
How do you power the immersion element?
Because Iv'e been thinking about this - surely the cable needs to be much thicker than normal to handle the wattage yes? But right back to the circuit board rather than a normal socket?

Smurf

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 06:47:42 pm »
Best ask a local sparky to sort you out as you should really have a sperate circuit on the board to run it also right size cables etc too.

Smudger

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 07:25:33 pm »
I use artic flex which is designed to handle the current,  I'm in a commercial unit and my circuit breakers are 32a  a 3kw immersion draws 12a  so I have one per breaker domestic housing maybe different, but whatever it is your immersion shouldn't be shared with other appliances

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Dave Willis

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 08:44:22 pm »
That's what I thought - you would run the risk of frying your household wiring.

My Son's an electrician but he's only on grunting terms.

Smudger

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2015, 08:50:12 pm »
I try not to risk anything other than my sanity by posting on this site  :D

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

ChumBucket

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2015, 09:11:20 pm »
16 amp breaker in consumer unit. Cable from this via a 16 amp timer to a 16 amp socket (mine is external on outside of house). From this socket run a 16 amp extension cable which will meet a 16 amp plug on the end of the immersion element's cable. Job done. ;D

All readily available and pretty cheap to buy. Employ a pro sparky to do it though.

In winter I pull up on drive, plug cable into outside socket, set timer indoors- usually to come on at around 3am for around 4 to 5 hours and that's it.

Dave Willis

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2015, 09:47:50 pm »
Hmm, be quite a big job in my mansion. The fuse box is a long way from the garages, probably need to take the floorboards up in the west wing.

Tom White

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2015, 10:27:36 pm »
Hmm, be quite a big job in my mansion. The fuse box is a long way from the garages, probably need to take the floorboards up in the west wing.

Can't you just drill a hole from where the fuse box is, run the cable through that and all the way around the house to where ever you want it?

AuRavelling79

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2015, 10:44:58 pm »
When I first went immersion I just used 13 amp extension (completely unwound) and 13 amp socket but things did warm up a bit as in blackening of pin sockets in plug over a couple of years or so.

So me and my bro. changed it all to 16 amp sockets and 16 amp cable and its been fine for two years.
It's a game of three halves!

ChumBucket

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 08:24:05 am »
Hmm, be quite a big job in my mansion. The fuse box is a long way from the garages, probably need to take the floorboards up in the west wing.

It's not a big job mate, it'll be nothing for your Son to do. ;)

DaveG

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2015, 07:23:23 am »
I've seen 2kw immersion heaters, would one of these be a better bet, ie not having to rewire from outside socket back to fuse box?
You can't polish a turd

Smudger

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2015, 02:06:09 pm »
not sure Dave yes the power is lower but I think it's more about the amps - if a 2kw draws less amps then yes you will have a bigger safety margin ( but don't take it as gospel )

Been speaking to some electricians on a forum, I can get a distribution box thar plugs into my 3 phase socket so I can run 3, 3 kW heaters from it  :D

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

DaveG

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2015, 08:01:56 pm »
Cheers Darren  ;D
You can't polish a turd

samson

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2015, 10:11:19 pm »
I got an electrician to install an rcd and an outside 13 amp socket.  Bought a 3kw immersion element to fit in the tank, and it is on my to do list  ;D

ChumBucket

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2015, 11:19:39 pm »
I got an electrician to install an rcd and an outside 13 amp socket.  Bought a 3kw immersion element to fit in the tank, and it is on my to do list  ;D

You need to get him back & change it to a 16 amp socket ;)

samson

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2015, 11:30:31 pm »
I got an electrician to install an rcd and an outside 13 amp socket.  Bought a 3kw immersion element to fit in the tank, and it is on my to do list  ;D

You need to get him back & change it to a 16 amp socket ;)
No. I asked two sparkies, and both said it was ok, at least I think it is 13, will check when I get home.   It was yoir earlier posts that helped me get set up  ;D

ChumBucket

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2015, 11:45:53 pm »
I got an electrician to install an rcd and an outside 13 amp socket.  Bought a 3kw immersion element to fit in the tank, and it is on my to do list  ;D

You need to get him back & change it to a 16 amp socket ;)
No. I asked two sparkies, and both said it was ok, at least I think it is 13, will check when I get home.   It was yoir earlier posts that helped me get set up  ;D

But do these sparkies realise that this equipment will be drawing these amount of amps for a continuous period of Four hours & more? If they do, you need a third sparky!! ;D Or... you could always risk burning your house down. ;)

SeanK

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2015, 08:20:48 am »
Plenty of 2kw portable electric heaters used in homes with no problems but if your concerned why not get two 1500w immersion  heaters and run them from two extension leads, plus make sure the fuse is rated less than the lead as it will go first.
Get heavy duty extension leads used for commercial work and not the cheap rubbish from the likes of B+Q.

ChumBucket

Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2015, 08:31:32 am »
Plenty of 2kw portable electric heaters used in homes with no problems but if your concerned why not get two 1500w immersion  heaters and run them from two extension leads, plus make sure the fuse is rated less than the lead as it will go first.
Get heavy duty extension leads used for commercial work and not the cheap rubbish from the likes of B+Q.

No don't! Just do it the correct & safest way to begin with. Employ a pro' sparky to rig it out with 16 amp gear & use a 3KW element. Do not risk burning your home down- trust me I'm talking from experience, it almost happened to me using a 13 amp socket/plug & extension cable!

Smudger

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Re: Question for immersion users
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2015, 10:48:49 am »
If it's on the same ring main you'll still be overloading with 2 heaters on it.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience