[Dave Willis]

There isn't, I was asking slap bash why he didn't produce his own, not necessarily to sell on.

[Smurf]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

[SeanK]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

Why? if you have the capacity to work out what it is then you would be in the position to know why it doesn't work.
The fact that Slap believes it works is fact that he hasn't a clue what it consists of.
You cant learn the secretes of a placebo and still expect it to have an effect.

[Smurf]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

Why? if you have the capacity to work out what it is then you would be in the position to know why it doesn't work.
The fact that Slap believes it works is fact that he hasn't a clue what it consists of.
You cant learn the secretes of a placebo and still expect it to have an effect.

But it does work or they would not be selling it surely?
All the hype about philic & phobic glass and shiny glass now that's possibly in the minds of the ppl using it methinks.
It's just a wfp window cleaning boost that's all that don't seem to leave spotting on glass.

[SeanK]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

Why? if you have the capacity to work out what it is then you would be in the position to know why it doesn't work.
The fact that Slap believes it works is fact that he hasn't a clue what it consists of.
You cant learn the secretes of a placebo and still expect it to have an effect.

But it does work or they would not be selling it surely?
All the hype about philic & phobic glass and shiny glass now that's possibly in the minds of the ppl using it methinks.
It's just a wfp window cleaning boost that's all that don't seem to leave spotting on glass.

You have just contradicted your statement (it does work) yet the majority of things it claims to do you think is just in peoples
minds.
The thing is you are adding a very small amount of a detergent/mixture to your pure so you could say it makes the pure
better at cleaning and you wouldn't be breaking any advertising laws.
That doesn't mean it has any real benefit to the person using it, that's the secrete of legally selling nonsense to the public.

[jk999]

Oh no the vision haters brigade same old people  😆

[SeanK]

Oh no the vision haters brigade same old people  😆

I find Vision to be nothing more than a silly gimmick but I don't hate it or the guys who sell it, infect I would rather see the cash in
their pockets than the guys who buy it, at least they will have the sense to put it to good use.
Fair play to them.

[slap bash]

It's a massive money spinner if they sell enough. Work out what a 25l drum would cost to make up then work out the selling price. Big mark up. 25l of additive would cost you  £900 to purchase 

I can't think of any products that come to a tenth of that price when bought in larger quantities, even isopropanol can be bought cheaply from suppliers if you know where to look.

AS you have pointed out there is profit to be made its like window cleaning.I guess you work for nothing or does it cost you 10 p for water and charge your poor customers 20 quid. Its called  also free enterprise.Let me know when you are cleaning free of charge. I need help.

[slap bash]

Why? if you have the capacity to work out what it is then you would be in the position to know why it doesn't work.
The fact that Slap believes it works is fact that he hasn't a clue what it consists of.
You cant learn the secretes of a placebo and still expect it to have an effect.
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Sour grapes comes to mind, its seems to eating  your ass that someone is making good by discovering a very good product. Come on Sean you must be better than that.  Give up your story its getting a bit stale, even if it comes of the Super market  shelf they found it and are surely entitled to a profit. Live and let live.

[Smurf]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

Why? if you have the capacity to work out what it is then you would be in the position to know why it doesn't work.
The fact that Slap believes it works is fact that he hasn't a clue what it consists of.
You cant learn the secretes of a placebo and still expect it to have an effect.

But it does work or they would not be selling it surely?
All the hype about philic & phobic glass and shiny glass now that's possibly in the minds of the ppl using it methinks.
It's just a wfp window cleaning boost that's all that don't seem to leave spotting on glass.

You have just contradicted your statement (it does work) yet the majority of things it claims to do you think is just in peoples
minds.
The thing is you are adding a very small amount of a detergent/mixture to your pure so you could say it makes the pure
better at cleaning and you wouldn't be breaking any advertising laws.
That doesn't mean it has any real benefit to the person using it, that's the secrete of legally selling nonsense to the public.

Yes it does work and the glass dries out spot free but obviously people have different views what it actual does like me for instance 

All I know it's just a chem boost and helps with cleaning crap off glass. Regards to making the windows look more shiny in my view is debatable  as even filthy glass shines in the right angle & light. Now some have also mentioned about vision turning phobic to phillic glass now that has not happened to any of the glass I've tried it on yet.

For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it.

[Rich Wilts]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

I would if I felt there was a benefit. Having used it on more than one occassion now I cant see any benefit at all. The only difference is there's bubbles when its used, but thats not an advantage or a benefit. Is it?

[Smurf]

I'm sure if we all knew the exact chems mix and amounts used we could make it at home too 

I would if I felt there was a benefit. Having used it on more than one occassion now I cant see any benefit at all. The only difference is there's bubbles when its used, but thats not an advantage or a benefit. Is it?

At the end of the day it's simply down to personal choice I suppose "The marmite effect" you will either love it or hate it 

[NBwcs]

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

[Smurf]

ionics zero system.... now yer talking can I have 2 please 
hmmmm....spend 20 squid or 14 grand to try if it cleans any better. Wonder which one  I should go for

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

[SeanK]

ionics zero system.... now yer talking can I have 2 please 
hmmmm....spend 20 squid or 14 grand to try if it cleans any better. Wonder which one  I should go for

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

Get a grip mate and get the point he trying to make which has nothing to do with either product.

[Smurf]

ionics zero system.... now yer talking can I have 2 please 
hmmmm....spend 20 squid or 14 grand to try if it cleans any better. Wonder which one  I should go for

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

Get a grip mate and get the point he trying to make which has nothing to do with either product.

If you want something you will buy it if you don't you will not. It's as simple as that really 
You can do all the background research and read all the reviews if you like but that is just people’s opinions or what some call educated guessing if they have never tried it themselves.  That goes for any type of product be it a 5p tin of beans to the most expensive motor on the planet. The price of a product don't mean jack poope really either as long as you can afford to buy it in the first place then all what matters if you are happy with the product or not.

It's a bit like the discussion going on about using hot water or not. Some will say they never need it and other will say it makes their job easier. Who is right it don't matter in the slightest if you ask me as is down to the individual what they decide to use

[SeanK]

ionics zero system.... now yer talking can I have 2 please 
hmmmm....spend 20 squid or 14 grand to try if it cleans any better. Wonder which one  I should go for

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

Get a grip mate and get the point he trying to make which has nothing to do with either product.

If you want something you will buy it if you don't you will not. It's as simple as that really 
You can do all the background research and read all the reviews if you like but that is just people’s opinions or what some call educated guessing if they have never tried it themselves.  That goes for any type of product be it a 5p tin of beans to the most expensive motor on the planet. The price of a product don't mean jack poope really either as long as you can afford to buy it in the first place then all what matters if you are happy with the product or not.

It's a bit like the discussion going on about using hot water or not. Some will say they never need it and other will say it makes their job easier. Who is right it don't matter in the slightest if you ask me as is down to the individual what they decide to use

No its not, the Ionics system is a good example of this, if you know how purified water works then you will know that filtering the water to a higher level isn't going to make any difference to its cleaning ability.
If you don't know how purified water works then you might fall for the Ionics gimmick its the same with everything
including additives.
I don't need to be a chemist to know that diluting any product to the level that Vision is diluted will render it useless
common sense and experience with stronger cleaning chemicals tell me this.
If this actually improved the cleaning power of water at that dilution ratio think what it would do undiluted.

[Smurf]

ionics zero system.... now yer talking can I have 2 please 
hmmmm....spend 20 squid or 14 grand to try if it cleans any better. Wonder which one  I should go for

"For all those sceptics out there who have not tried it yet but still comment on the product best you try it first then if you think it don't work then say so but don't comment just to slag it off if you have never tried it."

Does that mean ive got to buy an ionics zero system before i can form the opinion that its for mugs who havnt done their homework?

Get a grip mate and get the point he trying to make which has nothing to do with either product.

If you want something you will buy it if you don't you will not. It's as simple as that really 
You can do all the background research and read all the reviews if you like but that is just people’s opinions or what some call educated guessing if they have never tried it themselves.  That goes for any type of product be it a 5p tin of beans to the most expensive motor on the planet. The price of a product don't mean jack poope really either as long as you can afford to buy it in the first place then all what matters if you are happy with the product or not.

It's a bit like the discussion going on about using hot water or not. Some will say they never need it and other will say it makes their job easier. Who is right it don't matter in the slightest if you ask me as is down to the individual what they decide to use

No its not, the Ionics system is a good example of this, if you know how purified water works then you will know that filtering the water to a higher level isn't going to make any difference to its cleaning ability.
If you don't know how purified water works then you might fall for the Ionics gimmick its the same with everything
including additives.
I don't need to be a chemist to know that diluting any product to the level that Vision is diluted will render it useless
common sense and experience with stronger cleaning chemicals tell me this.
If this actually improved the cleaning power of water at that dilution ratio think what it would do undiluted.

What I call real pure water (ultrapure water) is a very powerful solvent used to clean nano technology components so you would not want that for window cleaning for sure.

[slap bash]

Sean could you please elaborate on your statement above I don`t understand what you are trying to say.

[paulben]

Whats your tds after adding vision mine went up