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Art

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2006, 11:48:33 pm »
So AJ what's your considerations as to the machine your supposedly going to buy?? as i can't see what additional advice your going to get????????????

carpetclean

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2006, 06:00:02 am »
i too have used the cfr tools with the powermax and got good results with extremely quick  drying times.
NCCA   IICRC


name peter reed

HolmansUKLTD

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2006, 07:43:42 am »
Thank you Andy Peter Nick for your constructive comments and advice.

If you learn how to use the machine properely you dont need a BIG psi or power...

Nick, I could not agree with you more, however I am not after the power feature in CFR.  It is CFR tools, what I like, as they minimise drying time and reduce risk of over-wetting.  To my understanding the CFR tools require higher PSI then an entry portable can deliver and at the same time as a high PSI would require/consume more water, then conventional tools, the recycling feature is essential. 

That is why CFR package looks so attractive to me, not the cheapest however.  Or am I missing something?

Regards,

Arthur



By a powermax and use a drimaster handtool then??!!
Surreys No1 Carpet & Upholstery cleaner
Surreys No1 Dart player
IICRC water restoration Technician

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2006, 10:16:37 pm »
Get a job as a researcher, sounds like you're never gonna get round to carpet cleaning ;D FOOOUUURRR PAGES of chat ??? ::) Good grief
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

stains-away

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2006, 10:36:45 pm »
Im currently looking at reinventing the wheel and could do with somebody to carry out customer surveys on the project mainly to assertain the best shape for the product, it would take somebody with special skills to be able to extract this information from the general public in a stealthy manner, they may also be required to spy on wheel production units and manufacturers research and development departments, just to ensure that the competition isnt coming up with anything revolutionary, anybody who feels they have what it takes to fill this role and continue their carpet cleaning business, real or imagined can contact me by telepathic messaging, thanks, Andy

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2006, 07:55:30 pm »
I'm thinking a magnetic hub with a reverse polarity rim ::) ;D

Do I get the job or is it only for daydreamers ??? ;D

Alan
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

stains-away

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2006, 09:04:01 pm »
Sorry Alan,but by displaying enough initiative to find a solution without carrying out pointless research I think you may find yourself better suited to carpet cleaning or some other practical role, Andy  ;D

Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2006, 11:17:21 pm »
Tag teaming with a veangance ;D
Experience does not qualify as Knowledge and Understanding.
Understand how and why and you'll produce great results.

IICRC, Woolsafe, Fenice & LTT trained.
Member of Eco Carpet Care, NCCA & Woolsafe.

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2006, 08:37:00 am »
and tagging so well.........I am not sure with whom against but I have a clean off to do tomorrow. Who ever cleans better as to be judged by their "inspector" will end up with the cleaning contract. Please note I am not after the contract but do want to take part. I am not aware of the stipulations of the test either but will keep you informed. I am going to bring with me a carpet that I have had soiled to "testing condition" as well. You should know me well enough now that I am not worried in the slightest but will keep you informed....At least someone out there is confident enough to put themselves against someone else, maybe I shold be worried.......best, Dave.

therapist

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2006, 08:32:59 pm »
Baited breath, Dave  and looking forward to the results .

rob m

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2006, 02:00:11 pm »
Rob, I will go into all that happened later on maybe via e-mail. Via e-mail so as to keep a lot of comments off of the posts. The reason for this is because I dont want to cause a riot and you have always been objective in your postings and comments made that I know it would be ok to speak my mind. For the record though...... The tech who I was against who was a nice bloke but came prepared with a Texatherm system. Need I say more???? The "inspector" of which was part of his company said on meeting me and my system that it wasnt fair for me to use my machine against theirs. Funny I thought that was the whole idea. Anyway if needs be I will continue on here but I leave that up to those members reading this and if at all interested. Best, Dave.

stains-away

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2006, 04:00:14 pm »
Im always interested to hear of comparisons being made in a fair environment, it could make interesting reading so im for it, what machine do you use Dave? Andy

NigelD

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2006, 05:40:08 pm »
I am very interested in hearing how this went. I am considering upgrade options from a small portable and comments and observations made assist in this process.
It would be a shame if this information were not shared.

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2006, 07:50:15 pm »
In which case I will write on here all that happened. Not now though as I have a boat load of things to do and I have a football tournament to ref at and play in this weekend. Best, Dave...... Also I want to find out a bit more about the chemicals that are for the Texatherm system as both people concerned didnt have a clue about what they were using or why.

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2006, 02:07:27 pm »
Ok, here goes. Please note in some cases the lack of continueity as I may just list "things". I had thought that I would be cleaning against, we will call him Tim, under or at least some sort of test conditions. However he had thought it best to just turn up and clean against him on a church that he had the contracts to clean. ......Not a problem.....Tim could not clean in and amongst fixed chairs similar to cinema seats..........  not clean to corners........  not clean stairs..........  not clean entrance matting as it tore up his pads..........  not clean vinyl areas.......not clean tiled areas....... not clean concrete walk ways...........goodness knows what chemicals he was using, at this point I add that he was using Texatherms chemicals but the containers had no information on them as to what they were, ph wise or anything wise........... He did HAVE to use gloves though and the resulting smell from the pre-spray inparticular was quite irratating. Tim at this point had said that it caused him breathing problems, small places being a huge problem....... cant clean bad spots and stains as to Tims words it isnt an extraction sysytem so it doesnt work the same way or get the same reults........cant clean at sustained heat........There were many other limitations I felt but thought these were more down to the technician so not a problem, things like he didnt move any furniture type of thing.........The carpet I brought with me wasnt used as again Tims "inspector" felt that it was un fair to use my machine against theirs........In contrast to the cant clean list above,  the machine that I use can indeed clean all that was listed, with standard attachments and un-like Tims the machine sustains heat to the carpet being cleaned.......... My biggest concern was the chemicals being used. None of the containers had any information on them as to the p.h. I thought this was nonsense as, how are you to know what is for what. Tim said that he used an acid to pre-spray with and an alkali to rinse with, bass ackward if you ask me but again how is one to know if it doesnt say on the container. I went to Texatherms web site and there safety sheets have no information on any of their chemicals as to the p.h. How the blazes can you use a chemical to clean something when you dont know what it is in the first place??? and dont you have to label the p.h. of a chemical solution. All my chemicals are labelled with all sorts of info and inparticular the p.h..........Please note that Tim and I got on very well and had a laugh comparing the 2 machines and then cleaning the church. The inspector wasnt so pleased though as now realises that Tims machine is one step off of useless in this situation. ..... Apart from the chemical issues I can see that this system certainly can have some uses, however cleaning this church and or against the system I use there is no need for it, ever!!!!!...... I understand that it is low moisture which is fine but as to if it can out clean the system I use or any truck mount for that matter, you are having a laugh.....Would you wash your hair by just spraying it with a shampoo and then rubbing it with a wet towel? I think not. Anyway, at least someone had the dangly bits to offer his system up to be tested against another one. I hope there is a cfr tech out there willing to do the same thing, however I am not holding my breath. Again I do understand there are times where Texatherm and the cfr's of this world might be used and so not knocking them.............As always, best, Dave.

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2006, 02:13:14 pm »
Andy, sorry mate..... I use.....Powermatic Legacy 2100......from Steamway International. To my limited knowledge there are only three in Britain. One in Scotland, one in Ireland and I have the third. Actually I have 2 more but they are still being used in the states. Best, Dave.

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2006, 02:24:23 pm »

Dave

I have just read your comments and i think you have carried out a very fair assessment rather than an outright character assasination. I have often thought about the limitations of these systems, but if you dare to mention them on this forum, people who use them will leap to its defence.

Like you i have made the statement a while ago that they do have their uses in the right place where establishments such as educational buildings etc have them cleaned on a regular basis, but other than that, no.

The proof of the pudding is in seeing one in action which you now have and it seems logical to me that without extracting out dirt, nothing is ever clean. 

I gotta go now as i have a load of washing to do. I am going to use a damp cloth and some solutions on them to see if they will dry a bit quicker. I hope it will remove grass stains. ::)

Dave

therapist

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2006, 03:54:03 pm »
Well then Dave

There will be a few swelling chests out there today, when the t/m boys read this and, of course, everything you've said, is accurate............but. the Texatherm owners can still do a decent job for a market sector, mainly commercial, where a regular programme is in place.

I understand you're enthusiasm and determination to show your machines and your own ability, to tackle much more, than the basic .......carpet and upholstery cleaning, although I suspect it was considerably more than what was required by the client, on this occasion.

You were correct to point out the lack of information on the containers and fair to point out, that the system, may well have proven better, in other hands.

Hope the Tex' guy was'nt too disillusioned and gets himself down to Tex for a day's training.

rob m

Liahona

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2006, 05:45:07 pm »
Thanks for the comments Rob. Indeed I agree with you in that I think the Texatherm system has a place in the c/c market even though of its drastic limitations. As a maintenance clean it would be very handy. With regards my comments and accordingly yours, I am concerned with their chemicals. As he rinsed or bonneted if thats a word with an alkali wouldnt that in theory leave a residue. But again I looked at the chemicals he was using and had no idea of it being acidic or alkali, just that he had said so and I had no reason to doubt. Perhaps the Tex's on this forum can help me out. I hate to say this but wouldnt the health and sdafety people have a field day with the chemicals with no identity, labelled or on the msds sheets. The same surely applies if you had to take someone to the hospital heaven forbid and you couldnt advise what chemicals the "patient" had been exposed too. May be different here but in the U.S. you would be sued to hell and never clean again. Best, Dave.

therapist

Re: Comments and Views on CFR
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2006, 10:17:55 pm »
Hiya Dave,

I'm ashamed to admit that I never checked the ph values, but I'd expect the prespray
to be alkaline and the ' rinse ' to be acid, as this is usually the case.

I'm pretty sure the Tex' people will give a response to those comments, as I believe, they are decent and genuine people and very helpful to purchasers of their system.

happy days

rob m