[AquaMagic]

After reading how good Microspliters are i used them on my first few jobs and was impressed to say the least, however i recently read on another forum the opinions of some carpet cleaners who believe although microsplitters work they think they dont produce as good results as detergent based chemicals.  Although i can see this argument turning into the same stuation as the age old battle between Portable & Truckmount (please dont start on this again) i would like to hear impartial opions on preffered chemicals.  I understand of course that different carpets and levels of staining require diffenent chemicals but you still can go either MS or Detergent for the majority of jobs.  I will of course test different chemicals m,yself and see which one suits me best as im told the hardness or water in different areas can also effect the effectiveness of chemicals from one cc to the next, but id like to hear peoples opinions on this?

Many thanks

Dene

[Steve Chapman]

Hi dene,
All i can say is that i changed over to ms after using prochem detergents and after about a month swapped back again, as i was finding it a lot harder using the ms, although i do agree they work, alot more aggitation is needed for it to do the job, and IMHO this is a step backwards.
The water is very hard where we are and maybe this is part of the problem and we do alot of carpets that are trashed by tenants and have found that prochem products while a bit pricey do the job hands down with minimum fuss, and at the end of the day thats what we want
regards steve

[Phil Marlor]

I was again told by someone very much in the know a few weeks ago that Microsplitters is just purified water.

I do use them, but to be honest i dont know what's the best out there, microsplitters or detergent, its a minefield trying to work out which is best.

Rgds
Phil

[Graeme@Access]

Phil,

I can assure you that MS are not purified water.  They are phosphates and there is no doubt about it.

check out the prochem site and look at the MSDS for their splitter
>> http://www.prochem.co.uk/safety%20data%20sheets/sdsc409.pdf

Its called pure clean so if the link doesnt work at least you can find it  .

We allways use detergents unless there is a worry over chemicals (people seem really afraid for some reason).  Wonder what they wash their dishes with... as the chemicals are pretty much the same in a really general sense.

Alas, in our (rather inadequate) tests we have found that MS require much more agitation to gain the same results.   To save on time (arguably fibre abrasion) and effort in agitating, we use detergents.

Hope this helps

Graeme Thurston

[Everbrite]

I have tried M/S but find them useless have gone back to the old ways much better results.

[gwrightson]

everbrite , i suggest you try using them correctly, persevere and i am sure your results will improve
look at the benifits to your customers,
 Geofff

[Jason Hedges]

I cant remember the last time I used detergents. I've been using splitters for a while now and am really please with the results I'm getting. They do take some getting used to and definately need a lot more aggitation than but on the plus side you're only using one solution then rinsing with plain water and there's no dwell time.

Kind regards,
Jason.

[AJCleaningServices]

... the plus side you're only using one solution then rinsing with plain water and there's no dwell time...

John,
Does it make make any difference whether you use cold or warm water for rinsing?
Regards,
Arthur

[Jason Hedges]

Hi Arthur, think this post was for me (Jason)

Yes I always use hot water to rinse but I'm using a normal 135psi portable and not a super powered cfr or similar!

I put hot water into my machine from the tap (if available) first of all and leave it being heated more by the internal heater while I vac, pre-spray and aggitate.

By the time I'm ready to extract the water is very hot 

I also use hot water to mix the splitter up with. It doesn't stay hot for long after traveling through the air and coming into contact with a cold carpet but it makes me feel better and seems to give better results!

Kind regards,
Jason

[AJCleaningServices]

Hi Arthur, think this post was for me (Jason) ...

Sorry  Jason,  thanks for respond. Arthur

[Jason Hedges]

Hi Arthur,

No worries mate, hope the info was of some help.

Kind regards,
Jason.

[AJCleaningServices]

Jason, thank you 

I am thinking of buying a CFR, but still not sure which one.
CFR 500 perfect heat has a heater
CFR 400 has not got a heater but it cost less
CFR ozone has not got a heater, but it has “built in ozone”
Which model is the best for domestic market

Regards,

Arthur

[Jason Hedges]

Hi Arthur,

I'm still unsure yet tempted by the cfr concept. I love the recycling water idea but am unsure about the cold / dirty water cleaning process! This subject has been spoken about many times on here and some love the process and others not so sure.

I love cleaning with hot water, I wouldn't clean my dishes, clothes or van with cold water so why a carpet?

The added power must contribute but re-using water well?

Its up to the individual but for the time being its not for me.

However I'd love to spend some time working with someone that uses the cfr system to convince me otherwise.

Kind regards,
Jason.

 

[Derek]

With all machines and chemicals its down to the technician who is doing the job.

Some can't get on with micro-splitters some think they are great
Look how many different machines are featured in the threads of this and other forums and each technician thinks his/hers is the best.  To the point sometimes they get quite upset if another cleaner doesn't rate their particular make of machine.

The technician makes the machine work!

A good technician will get the best out of his machine!

All chemicals work well providing you follow the manufacturers instructions and also, more importantly, follow the correct cleaning procedures.


Take short cuts and the performance is reduced of both machine and chemical

[AJCleaningServices]

...I wouldn't clean my dishes, clothes or van with cold water so why a carpet?...

Jason,

That is a good example of how chemicals can work.  I am sure that washing-up liquid would clean dishes well no matter whether you use cold or hot water, however with hot water you would need less time to complete the job - four fundamentals of soil suspension apply no matter what you clean .

...I love the recycling water idea but am unsure about the cold / dirty water cleaning process!

...However I'd love to spend some time working with someone that uses the cfr system to convince me otherwise...

During CARPEX I attended seminar about CFR OZONE machine.  The CFR representative in respond to claims that CFR uses dirty water to clean carpets suggested a simple test.  I think he called it a "wait shirt test".  He said that as you start cleaning carpet water in the machine becomes yellow/brown, but it is not dirty.  He said that you can do the "wait shirt test" marking a wait shirt with recycled water that you have cleaned the carpet with and see that after the shirt drys there will be no dirty marks on it. 

I have not done it and have not heard from anybody who done something like this, however the CFR representative was very confident talking about the "wait shirt test".   

With all machines and chemicals its down to the technician who is doing the job...
...The technician makes the machine work!
A good technician will get the best out of his machine!...

Could not agree more.

Regards,

Arthur

P.S. There is a saying that a bad dancer always complains about his balls. 

[Everbrite]

Hi Geoff I have tried all makes and followed their instructions but i still go back to chemicals, looks like M/S dont work for every body or we all have different standards.

[Derek]

Arthur

It was the 'white' shirt test

[Jason Hedges]

Nice one Derek,

I thought thats was Arthur meant but wondered if the cfr rep was Irish

[AJCleaningServices]

Arthur

It was the 'white' shirt test

Nice one Derek,

I thought thats was Arthur meant but wondered if the cfr rep was Irish

Lol  thank you, Derek, for pointing me on my spelling mistake.  I am Lithuanian.
Regards,
Arthur
 

[AJCleaningServices]

...I thought ... if the cfr rep was Irish

Jason,
CFR representative was American, from Texas. 
Regards,
Arthur