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Ian Gourlay

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2006, 10:54:58 am »
Gavin,

Dave is just trying to put an alternitive point of view.

I do not think it does The Network any good to call him childish.


Glad to see you have changed your Website, when I looked earlier in the year you were still promoting the rival product.

Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2006, 11:10:21 am »
...this a forum were we try to help one other and all so give facts!...


I am not saying that AS does not work, but so far I have only red people thoughts / statements here, but have not seen any links to an independent studies of the product. 

Can somebody bring some fact?

Regards,

Arthur

Added later:

For how long can AS protect a mattress from the dust mites?

Gavin Reardon

  • Posts: 464
Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2006, 11:27:37 am »
Hi Dave / Ian

I did not call anyone childish! I said name calling is childish!! lets stop twisting words chaps!

I could not change my website for ages as I forgot password!! Nick was not a happy chappy!!  ::) but as you can see I have done this sort of work for a while and have a good client base for this service.

Dave there are loads of other good products out there you can use and promote. sorry if me making money from this product upsets you but thats what Im here to do.

You read to much in to things dave

For example I did not say national player! I said a big name in this industry! (not a company) but a carpet cleaner just like you and me, but he is very well known in this industry! and will be great to have him on board!

Regards Gavin



 
Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2006, 11:35:59 am »
Hi Arthur

Please find below a link to facts you asked for.

http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?show_aux_page=5

Hope this help you and maybe others


Regards Gavin
Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2006, 12:04:42 pm »

Gavin

I am not upset by people making money. If that was the case, i wouldn't have come into this business knowing that there are established larger businesses out there already. All i can say is that we are all here to make money and i have invested heavily, as you have in good equipment. I am sure that the smaller businesses like myself take inspiration from the larger firms like yourself, and it gives us something to work towards

Regarding allergy treatment, if i was asked to provide it, then i would think about it. In 4 years of trading, i have only ever been asked to clean 2 pair of curtains, which i don't do and apply creepy crawly treatment once. Obviously we move in different circles.

I think you will agree though, with allergy treatments you do have a ready market available to you with the number of sufferers, but as to the effectiveness of the treatments, i am still not convinced fully. As Arthur said this is just an opinion. I will take the time to read the accompanying literature for this product.

As i said earlier, i hope i am not coming across as abrasive.

Ian,   Thank's for supporting my last posting. This forum would never be as successful if it were not for difference of opinion.

Dave

Doug Holloway

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2006, 12:25:16 pm »
Gavin,

You write

 'Allerg-STOP is not a chemical but a combination of active substances ie fruit try to get your facts right before you post!'

This is just plain nonsense , of course AS is a chemical or a mixture of several chemicals.

As I understand it is predominantly Auxillase which is a protease enzyme derived from the Papaya fruit by Merck.

http://www.merck.de/servlet/PB/menu/1426170/index.html

http://chemdat.merck.de/pls/pi03/web2.zoom_in?text=107138&screen=110&cid=861210155&pg=1&s=auxillase&lang=4

Everything is made up of chemicals  ;)

Cheers

Doug

P.s Is this great luminary Dave Ingram ?


Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2006, 12:49:32 pm »
Many people use the term 'chemical free' when only water ( chem formula H2O) is used for rinsing, so the term is not strictly true.

They usually mean no 'harsh / harmful chemicals' used.
This term itself though, is an debatable point, what constitutes a harsh / harmful chemical?
There may be differing opinions as to what is and isn't.
 
The beauty of these forums is that there is a wide spread of knowledge and an exchange of varied and differing viewpoints.

Hopefully, these views and opinions will continue to be put over in a balanced and respectful way to each other.

Regards Ian.

Doug Holloway

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2006, 01:04:45 pm »
Ian,

A reasonable point and one I strive to make is to distingiush between marketing terms such as chemical free,microsplitter,truckmount 20x more powerful,best CC ever ,safe etc and technical terms which is where we should be concentrating.

A technical person would not for example claim a product is safe unless it has been rigorously tested in the market for many years.

Marketing terms are usually thought up by sales orientated people with a very tenuous grip on science.

I have worked in both technical and sales and have seen it from both sides.

Cheers

Doug

therapist

Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2006, 06:06:41 pm »
Gentlemen

Every time the subject of the A/S product range is raised, there is acrimony and argument, among people, who otherwise, have a general affinity.........How sad!

The blame for this divisive state of affairs, lies with the individual who attempted to market his range in an artificial, controlled environment...........Misguided?

I am impressed by Gavin's use of the products to grow his business and others would do well to consider his drive and enthusiasm, which, in his case, has come from, a belief in these products and encouraged him to become an aggressive marketer.

Without being a network member of any particular organisation, you could all adopt a ' specialist ' product and use it to drive your business forward, it's all to do with  ' marketing ' and it's a hell of a lot easier to market a business when it's perceived as giving the client something special, but............. it must be something that makes you stand out from the crowd and..........represent's value for money, in the client's mind.

There are various products on the market which will kill and control allergens and it would be extremely easy for a chemical manufacturers r&d dept to replicate, if they
wanted to.........but with the limited market, there is probably little viability.

I have no intention of purchasing the A/S products, but if I did buy a product to use in c/c, no matter from whom I purchased it...........no one would stop me from mentioning the product in any advertising I decided to carry out.........the exception to this, would be, where it might deliberately mislead , eg, using the Woolsafe logo, without qualification.

rob m


Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2006, 09:56:28 am »
I can only agree in the most part with your comments gentlemen.

Doug, I hope you didn't think I was having a dig at your previous post  :D if anything, I was trying to be tactfully supportive without causing offence to anyone else.   :D

Regards and professional respect Ian.
Regards Ian.

Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2006, 10:11:55 am »
Ian,

Do you know for how long AS can protect a mattress / pillows / carpets etc from the dust mites?

Regards,

Arthur

Doug Holloway

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2006, 10:20:04 am »
Ian,

I did not think you were having a go at me in anyway and I respect your always helpful and sensible contributions  , as I do Gavins.

There is always more than one way to look at things and I suppose years of working in a lab and testing / seeing the latest 'breakthrough' has left me a bit sceptical of wonder claims.

My old boss used to say we rediscover the wheel every 7 years.

My advertising is full of marketing claims and I expect suppliers to make similar pitches in my direction.

Where things become blurred is where suppliers who are also carpet cleaners attempt to pass off marketing as scientific fact.

All I try to do is use my technical knowledge to cut through some of the bull as I believe the more we know about the real technical aspects , the better judgements we can make.

Cheers

Doug

Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2006, 10:25:25 am »
A J,
I didn't intend this post to be product specific, just generic information.  :D

Specific product questions about any product, may be better answered by the supplier, then you will have first hand up to date information, as opposed to my personal view.

That said, I believe it is between 6 and 12 months, for that product.

Best wishes Ian.

Doug, thank you,  no misunderstanding then.  :D
Regards Ian.
Regards Ian.

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2006, 08:30:48 am »
Hi Arther

"Do you know for how long AS can protect a mattress / pillows / carpets etc from the dust mites?"

A/S protect's a mattress for 4-6 months, so you would need to spray your mattress 2 - 3 a year, one bottle will do this easy! so the cost for having your mattress treated is only about 50p a week at most! good when you think how much use your mattress gets!

hope this helps

Regards Gavin

Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

stevegunn

Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2006, 09:51:30 am »
...this a forum were we try to help one other and all so give facts!...


I am not saying that AS does not work, but so far I have only red people thoughts / statements here, but have not seen any links to an independent studies of the product. 

Can somebody bring some fact?

Regards,

Arthur

Added later:

For how long can AS protect a mattress from the dust mites?

Test results

http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?show_aux_page=4

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2006, 11:12:04 am »
Hi Steve

Come on mate keep up! ive already given test results out earlyer in post!  ;)

My turn to get you ;D ;D

Gav
Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Len Gribble

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2006, 08:13:23 pm »
Gav

See Steve’s into time and motion link is better only one click. ;D ;D

A dust mite has 8 legs and the bulid up of these are amazing! just trying to suck them up with any t/m will not work! Can’t disagree but have you seen the latest Dyson TV advert here’s there link http://www.dyson.co.uk/default.asp?sicampaignppc=keywords&sicampaigntopic=google (click on where others vacuums loss suction and have a look round) 8)

Len
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