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Ian Hare

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Dust mite and related topics
« on: April 12, 2006, 02:17:22 pm »
A few CARPET vs HARDFLOOR health facts.


Hard floor promoters state that carpet ‘harbours’ allergens, or is a ‘haven’ for them.
This is the reason that carpet is healthier, we want allergens to be harboured or a better word ‘trapped’. On the floor trapped allergens are of no risk to us.
A hard floor allows allergens to be consistently airborne with even the slightest movement, and remain so for long periods, thereby entering the lungs consistently. It takes TEN TIMES more air flow to move fine dust particulate matter over a carpeted floor than across a hard surface floor.

In a 2005 German Asthma Association test, in scientifically tested homes the Fine Particulate Dust matter found in hard floor homes was double that of the same number of carpeted homes tested, and 12micro grams per cubic meter above the safe European recognised level. (50MGU)
 
Regarding carpet; wool is an inherently hygienic fibre and too coarse to effect an asthma sufferer plus dust mites do not like wool as the fibre is too dense. A woollen fibre carpet is therefore a major benefit to everyone, and especially asthma sufferers.
Cleaning and de-cluttering a room to increase the air movement will have a more positive effect on the indoor environment, than tampering with innocent floor covering.


Recently we have been fed a diet of sensationalist scare stories about carpets and dust mites and their alleged links to asthma.
This stream of anti-carpet propaganda has advised, indeed urged you to switch to wooden floors ostensibly 'in the interests of health'.
It must be pointed out, however, that this was an orchestrated anti-carpet campaign that was part funded by a Swedish laminate flooring producer.
Thus the advice to 'rip up the carpet' was far from independent and impartial as it purported to be.

The Carpet Foundation, the UK carpet manufacturing industry's lead body, in conjunction with the European Carpet Association, GuT, the German Association for environmentally friendly carpets, the Wool Research Organisation of New Zealand and the Carpet and Rug Institute of the USA, has conducted a detailed review of the key scientific papers on asthma and floor coverings.

It proves conclusively that there is no scientific validity for suggesting that carpet is a major threat to your health, even those people sensitive to the dust mite allergen.

“Health professionals” sometimes recommend that allergy and asthma patients remove carpet from their homes, those recommendations are generally based on faulty assumptions.

In fact, clean, dry, well-maintained carpet actually improves air quality.

Carpet acts as a trap for airborne particles grounded through natural gravity.
Professional Testing Labs studied the distribution of airborne dust associated with normal activities on hard and soft flooring surfaces. Their findings showed that walking on hard surfaces disturbed more particles.
These particles became airborne and entered the breathing zone. In contrast, carpeted surfaces trapped more particles so that walking disturbed fewer particles. 

Result: less dust in the breathing zone over carpeted floors.

There is no scientific evidence to support the advice that the removal of carpet is clinically beneficial to asthma sufferers. No studies have ever been carried out which conclusively links a carpet free environment to clinical benefits for asthma sufferers.
In fact in Sweden where health hysteria led to a 77% reduction in carpet use, there was corresponding 300% increase in asthma in the same 15 year period to 1990.


Regards Ian.

Ian Hare

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Dust mite and related posts
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 02:25:59 pm »
The average UK home has over two million dust mites feed on the protein from your dead skin scales.
They live in your mattress and pillows, upholstery and to a lesser extent carpet - the only reason you have never seen them is because they are so small the human eye can not see them. It is not the mite that is the problem but their harmful faeces, which are so small that when disturbed can stay airborne for over ten minutes.

Temperature extremes kill dust mites.
The problem with doing this is gaining accessibility to them.
   
Mites do not like the light and burrow deep into upholstered furniture, primarily mattresses and secondly sofas. Their prominence in carpet is not nearly so high.

Any application of water during cleaning, will at appropriate temperature, kill those mites near the surface. It will also add moisture which will assist the mites to feed and breed, as they need warmth and moisture to survive.

This is why HWE etc will not eradicate the problem, only scratch the surface.

The problem posed by mites is not that of the mite itself, but is the enzyme which breaks down protein in their food, and is found in their faeces.
This attacks the cell bindings in the lungs of humans and can leave them open to later infection.

However, specialist treatment of a mattress and sofa and lesser extent carpet, can ensure 6 to 12 months of freedom from this problem. The enzyme in it's broken down form (as a result of treatment) poses no problem.


Dust mites are mostly prominent in mattresses and secondly upholstered furniture, where they can burrow deep away from light. This poses the problem that conventional cleaning will not eradicate them other than the lesser numbers on the surface.
Wet cleaning can even add moisture which aids their feeding and breeding capabilities, hence the need for specialist treatment.

Carpet will not be home to many dust mites by comparison to upholstered furnishings especially in exposed areas. The place that they are more likely to be found in carpet, is under furniture, where no direct light gets and no cleaning takes place. This is especially true under sofas and chairs. This same lack of cleaning and build up of dust is just the same in these areas with hard floors as it is with carpet, if not more so. Apathy and lethargy being more apparent attitudes to cleaning with hard floor owners!
(Because they have been led to believe “hard floor is healthier"; so doesn't need effort on their part).
A vicious circle has been created.

The problem is not the mite itself, but within the faces, - even smaller particulate dust. This may fall out from beds and sofas etc onto the floor below. If this floor is carpeted at least most of it is trapped and held out of harms way.
If it lands on hard floor it is easily disturbed and laterally enters the room by virtue of any movement causing a draught, then it is airborne and free to enter the breathing zone, and will remain airborne for long periods. The smaller particulate dust is the longer it remains in orbit around our faces.
 
A simple experiment can demonstrate this function. Pollen, dust mite droppings and other air allergens are microscopic in size, so let's replace them with something more visible to the naked eye - flour or talcum powder.
Sprinkle a little of the selected powder onto a hard floor, then, from a height of about three feet, drop a book onto the floor so that it lands flat, about 6" from the powder. Repeat the experiment substituting a carpet for the hard floor. That little explosion of dust that accompanied the book landing on the hard surface shows what happens with a light foot-fall or any other draught to the microscopic allergens that land on the flooring even whilst it is being cleaned.
And what happened when the book landed on the carpet? Point demonstrated!

The very act of trying to mop a hard floor or vac it causes much air movement, most of the offending smaller particulate matter is made airborne and not removed by the mopping etc.

Vacuuming a carpet will remove large amounts of trapped matter from the pile. It may not remove many dust mites themselves due to their stiff body and leg hairs (which act like glue) and help the mites stay in fabrics resisting suction, but as it is the faeces that is the problem and needs removing, this is achieved.

Regards Ian.

Ian Hare

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Mattress covers
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 02:32:51 pm »
Mattress Covers.

People who suffer from severe allergies or asthma may find relief from their symptoms with the use of mattress covers.
It is imperative that those covers only be installed on mattresses that are new or have been cleaned and sanitised, otherwise the enclosed mattress may act like an incubator allowing mould, fungus and bacteria growth to increase.  Even a new mattress can harbour a large degree of dust etc, deposited during the manufacturing process, and so should ideally be cleaned/treated.

When the cover is removed for washing, the contaminants are released into the air, and hence the lungs.  Most manufacturers recommend that the covers be removed and washed weekly. This is a very cumbersome task and seldom likely to occur.
People suffer from disturbed sleep as the covers are noisy and do not breathe sufficiently making people sweat during the night.

It is recommended investing the price of the covers into getting the mattress professionally cleaned/treated. That way you can rest assured knowing that your mattress is clean and sanitised.
The microscopic size of the harmful dust mite faeces is such that it penetrates through most of these covers anyway.

Regards Ian.

Re: Mattress covers
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 03:06:36 pm »

dave401uk

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Re: Mattress covers
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 03:41:31 pm »
A&J.........dosnt that just back up what Ian said ::) ::)


Dave
Its never a pass of the wand,just a master stroke.

Doug Holloway

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Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2006, 04:08:35 pm »
Hi Guys and Ian in particular.

I have merged these very similar topics as the board is in danger of being swamped with them.

Ian , your writing style and length of post has completely changed  in the past few days, can you acredit the author of these recent posts.

Cheers

doug

Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 05:36:43 pm »
My writing style and essay length has been like this since my school / college days. ( A long time ago).
Regards Ian.

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 05:57:04 pm »

Ian

I get the gist of what you are saying about hwe at the appropriate temperature killing the dust mites near the surface and leving moisture in the carpet leaving a damp environment for them to breed.

Surely with the phenominal suction of a truck mount, would not the suction remove completely the whole infestation, and if not, surely the pressure of such machines would reach the bottom of the pile subsequently getting at the problem. Also the nature of the chemical being of either an acidic or alkaline make up, would in my opinion hinder development in said damp environment due to the chemical action alone on the offending mites or their eggs.

Any thoughts on this?

Dave

Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 07:28:09 pm »
 A good HWE system should do a very good job on carpet, which is excellent for us.  :D

However, mites are in their largest numbers in mattresses and upholstered furniture which is what I was referring to.
Regards Ian.

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2006, 08:37:25 pm »

Yes i can see the sense in that statement, and yes an allergy treatment for mattresses and upholstery would be an advantage. I think the only drawback to this is that they issue licences to limit the number of carpet cleaners in an area who can apply the treatment.  Will this therefore create a monopoly for the licence holders?

I think that if these treatments are found to be effective, then the large chemical manufacturers will soon bring out an equivalent offered to the majority in our profession rather than the minority, thus making it affordable for all.



Dave

Dave

Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 10:52:48 am »
I'm not going to mention any particular branded products. My aim to simply present my view in a hopefully balanced way.

As I understand matters though, there is a license in force for one particular product which may put some off using it, however it is available to non-licensees too, they just pay a little more and don't get the associated back up product and sales training, or advertising generated leads. As professional tradesmen we therefore, have a choice as to whether to use the product or not, and the way in which we purchase it.

Personally I feel it's worth giving every supplier in our trade an opportunity to impress us, by sampling their wares, and then making choices based on our personal preference.

Regards Ian.
 
Regards Ian.

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 11:04:49 am »

Obviously then, if you are a licensee you can use their logo on your advertising, but if you are not you can't.

Dave

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 11:55:55 am »
Hi All

A dust mite has 8 legs and the bulid up of these are amazing! just trying to suck them up with any t/m will not work! they have hooks, suckers, spikes etc and no matter what you do they will never go away! that is why we dont worry about them so much and work on the problem!

The product that Ian is talking about can not be copyied as it is world patented, plus has pantented combination of active substances. So I would say the chance of it getting copied are small.

Also if you are not a network member you can not put it in any form of adverting or websites that you use it. Some have tryied and have been stoped! at there cost! network members get more that a little discount on cost of products Ian. ( more like up to 60 % off  ;D ;D ;D)

Last year my company won an award for the work and sales of this product. This week we have paid to renew our membership for the South Wales area (Bridgend to Newport) for life! with another company taking Newport to Bristol area.  There are over 50 companys now joined! all over the Uk, Ireland and places like the Isle Of White etc and all remaining areas are now ltd. This week a very big name in this industry has joined!! this should raise some eyebrows!  :-X

Regards


Gavin
Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 04:53:07 pm »

I take it from this statement though that if you can buy the product, but obviously at a higher cost, you could mention in your advertising that you can treat peoples mattresses and furniture etc with an allergy treatment, but cannot say on your advertising literaure what it is or name it.

I hope this is a lucrative business for you cleaners who are part of this network, but if it wasn't i doubt you would come on here and tell everybody about it.

i think you will find that when somebody like prochem decides to market a similar product, your so called monopoly will be deminished. :'(

Dave

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2006, 12:17:53 am »

Hi Dave

"I take it from this statement though that if you can buy the product, but obviously at a higher cost, you could mention in your advertising that you can treat peoples mattresses and furniture etc with an allergy treatment, but cannot say on your advertising literaure what it is or name it."

Thats is right!

Did you not read my last post it can not be copyied! If something else come's out then thats fine as my company made alot of money from this last year just on this one service! so my money has been made over and over just profit from now! my company is on radio wales next week talking about it! just in time for spring cleaning!  ;D ;D

Regards Gavin
Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Ian Hare

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2006, 09:01:48 am »
Hi Dave, (spot on cleaning)
your statement about use of logo is correct as I understand it.
Regards Ian.
Regards Ian.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2006, 09:08:45 am »
I wonder if you could use a logo which said


Allergen Free.



Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2006, 09:31:42 am »

At th end of the day, i am all for businesses like ours being able to provide a comprehensive package to the customer, as long as those larger firms out there do not think that because they have bought a licence to spray a bit of chemical on things, that they will be mopping up all the work. They come across as being smug with "I've got this area, and he's got that area" I couldn,t give a monkees

If the allergin treatments are that good, then surely somebody will rival this, and all they have to do is to change some ingredient to make the product a seperate entity. This will then release these products to a wider audience at a reduced price for cc's and customers alike.

And i still say, if you were a sufferer of Asthma and its related side effects you would spend out on this treatment and carry on for fear of stopping. They are an easy audience to target and people know it.

Funny how these channel 4 programmes didn't mention anything about these treatments for carpets and soft furnishings. These people would have done their homework before putting a programme like this together.

Dave

Gavin Reardon

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2006, 10:09:22 am »
Hi Dave

in your words

"At the end of the day, i am all for businesses like ours being able to provide a comprehensive package to the customer, as long as those larger firms out there do not think that because they have bought a licence to spray a bit of chemical on things, that they will be mopping up all the work. They come across as being smug with "I've got this area, and he's got that area" I couldn,t give a monkees"

I do not own a licence I am a Network member!

Allerg-STOP is not a chemical but a combination of active substances ie fruit try to get your facts right before you post!

Did I say I will be mopping up all the work! and if I think that what has it got to do with you what I think! at the end of the there is work for all of us out there! It just so happens that I am the network member in your area and you don't like it. Sorry if that upsets  :( you but my company has been there from the start. 

I  am far from smug! name calling is very childish and I dont like it. this a forum were we try to help one other and all so give facts! and the fact is you don't like the facts ::)

Dave you seem to give a big monkeys to me  :-*


Regards Gavin

Gavin Reardon IICRC / NCCA

www.ace-cleaning.co.uk

Spot On cleaning

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Re: Dust mite and related topics
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2006, 10:31:11 am »

Gavin

If i have come across as childish, then i apologize. Perhaps i have become confused between licencees and operators as well.

It was just your statement you made previously about making a lot of money last year and again doing so when spring cleaning comes around again. Yes i agree that there is a lot of work for all, but in my opinion in that one statement alone you came across as boasting somewhat by saying "Ive got this area, and nobody else can market this product by way of advertising it by name, because i have bought in for life ;D"

Then informing us that a national player had also bought into it that should raise a few eyebrows?

What i should have put across differently was the fact that i along with many other cc's are not worrying about these treatments, and my wording obviously offended you in some way.

But i do think that at some point in the future, somebody is bound to jump on the bandwagon and malke an alternative available to all. It seems strange to me that i can buy the product, but cannot tell people that i am using it.

Dave